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pjm41499
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Vp can casino regulate pay out other then paytable
Vp can casino regulate pay out other then paytable
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shadowman
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Not with standard class III machines. However, there are class II machines and VLTs in some states where the return can be set to whatever they want.
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backsider
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Any machine can be altered by anyone, and if you play at any casino run by Indians then you will understand. Theyre not doing anything wrong mind you, but theyre doing it. That is the unanimous opinion among my colleagues and I anyway.
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shadowman
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Any machine can be altered by anyone, and if you play at any casino run by Indians then you will understand. Theyre not doing anything wrong mind you, but theyre doing it. That is the unanimous opinion among my colleagues and I anyway.
Nope, most Native American casinos are covered by a compact with the states in which they are located. In most cases the compacts provide regulations which are similar to states like Nevada (often copied directly). Therefore, it would be "wrong" for the casinos to modify the machines and by violating the compact they could lose their license to operate.
Why would a casino risk losing it's license (worth millions and millions of dollars) when they can increase their revenue legally by modifying paytables?
In addition, it is not trivial to modify the machines. With security seals, checksums and the like it would take significant expertise. In addition, the casinos would have to secretly install the chips and only allow trusted techs to go inside the machines. The chances that they would not get outed at some time is vanishingly small. These are not high paid employees that would gain by keeping quiet.
The kind of conspiracy theory nonsense proposed by BS is completely laughable.
Nope, most Native American casinos are covered by a compact with the states in which they are located. In most cases the compacts provide regulations which are similar to states like Nevada (often copied directly). Therefore, it would be "wrong" for the casinos to modify the machines and by violating the compact they could lose their license to operate.
Why would a casino risk losing it's license (worth millions and millions of dollars) when they can increase their revenue legally by modifying paytables?
In addition, it is not trivial to modify the machines. With security seals, checksums and the like it would take significant expertise. In addition, the casinos would have to secretly install the chips and only allow trusted techs to go inside the machines. The chances that they would not get outed at some time is vanishingly small. These are not high paid employees that would gain by keeping quiet.
The kind of conspiracy theory nonsense proposed by BS is completely laughable.
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backsider
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Oh no, tell me I didnt just hit his nerve again. He must live in an Indian casino.
Heres a newsflash dad. The world isnt b&w any more, no one from any state will ever argue with or slap stupid fines on anything Indians do in their sovereign casinos, techs who know computers like the backs of their hands around here which are much more sophisticated than little vp machines are a dime a dozen, and you have no idea what the entire "compact" with every state says or even more importantly, does not say.
I know you want to......or I mean, HAVE TO......be right. But you lose. Now how you going to deal with it?
Heres a newsflash dad. The world isnt b&w any more, no one from any state will ever argue with or slap stupid fines on anything Indians do in their sovereign casinos, techs who know computers like the backs of their hands around here which are much more sophisticated than little vp machines are a dime a dozen, and you have no idea what the entire "compact" with every state says or even more importantly, does not say.
I know you want to......or I mean, HAVE TO......be right. But you lose. Now how you going to deal with it?
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shadowman
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Oh no, tell me I didnt just hit his nerve again. He must live in an Indian casino.
Heres a newsflash dad. The world isnt b&w any more, no one from any state will ever argue with or slap stupid fines on anything Indians do in their sovereign casinos, techs who know computers like the backs of their hands around here which are much more sophisticated than little vp machines are a dime a dozen, and you have no idea what the entire "compact" with every state says or even more importantly, does not say.
I know you want to......or I mean, HAVE TO......be right. But you lose. Now how you going to deal with it?
Simple, all I use is pure logic. Unlike some who assert their claims with absolutely nothing to back them up.
BTW, the world has never been "b&w". What a silly comment.
As for the VP machines, they use eproms which complicates the matter significantly. There are many different eprom writers so you to find the right one, then you have to reverse engineer the object code and finally you have determine exactly what the object is doing without any documentation. VP machines probably have a few million lines of code these days. Not exactly a simple task.
Of course, you ignore the obvious which is how do they keep it all a secret? That puts you in the same domain as most other conspiracy nuts.
Heres a newsflash dad. The world isnt b&w any more, no one from any state will ever argue with or slap stupid fines on anything Indians do in their sovereign casinos, techs who know computers like the backs of their hands around here which are much more sophisticated than little vp machines are a dime a dozen, and you have no idea what the entire "compact" with every state says or even more importantly, does not say.
I know you want to......or I mean, HAVE TO......be right. But you lose. Now how you going to deal with it?
Simple, all I use is pure logic. Unlike some who assert their claims with absolutely nothing to back them up.
BTW, the world has never been "b&w". What a silly comment.
As for the VP machines, they use eproms which complicates the matter significantly. There are many different eprom writers so you to find the right one, then you have to reverse engineer the object code and finally you have determine exactly what the object is doing without any documentation. VP machines probably have a few million lines of code these days. Not exactly a simple task.
Of course, you ignore the obvious which is how do they keep it all a secret? That puts you in the same domain as most other conspiracy nuts.
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edog743
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Any and all gaming compacts with the tribes are a matter of public record. Contact your state gaming commision I am sure they will be happy to direct you to the document. Again I will ask If you think you are being cheated by the casinos WHY GO? That makes no sense to me.
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backsider
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Any and all gaming compacts with the tribes are a matter of public record. Contact your state gaming commision I am sure they will be happy to direct you to the document. Again I will ask If you think you are being cheated by the casinos WHY GO? That makes no sense to me.
I only play in this state (Nevada) and sometimes in Indiana when Im home. I trust them enough to play at them. Never would I play at the Indian casinos because they can do what they want and you never know what that is.
Contacting the state gaming commissions all over the country will yield as much reliable and credible information as you get from your favorite waitress at Denny's. It all boils down to the obvious: if you have no dog in the hunt then youre able to approach the issue with an open mind. If you are dumb enough to play at Indian casinos then you will never want to see whats really going on.
Im no dummy.
I only play in this state (Nevada) and sometimes in Indiana when Im home. I trust them enough to play at them. Never would I play at the Indian casinos because they can do what they want and you never know what that is.
Contacting the state gaming commissions all over the country will yield as much reliable and credible information as you get from your favorite waitress at Denny's. It all boils down to the obvious: if you have no dog in the hunt then youre able to approach the issue with an open mind. If you are dumb enough to play at Indian casinos then you will never want to see whats really going on.
Im no dummy.
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faygo
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There isn't a pea under the shells, He has it in his hand.
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shadowman
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So, BS trusts the state of NV but doesn't trust other states. Now, why would NV be any more trustworthy? Why would Indiana be trustworthy but not Iowa? BS, thanks for giving us a good example of your logical skills.
