Bounce Back Cash maximizing?

[zolas]

This is my first post, so hi to all out there.
 
I'm a newbie to VP, I am practicing now at home to build my skill at Dueces Wild, JOB and BP.  I live in Southern ca, and will play mostly in Vegas.  It appears at the quarter level Dueceswild is the game that offers the most opportunity for advantage play.  That is at least before looking at bounce back cash, points multiplyers and such. 
 
I am reading a lot online trying to get as much knowledge as possible about playing the comp game to get the most back from the casino.  It appears that beyond points multiplyers one of the most important ways to gain an advantage is the bounce back cash.
 
I have read two schools of thought.  One, give a certain level of play around 2000-2500 to several places to maximize bounce back cash, and others who say give the majority to one place, and you will maximize bennifit back.  What is your take?
 
Also, I have read that if you give about 2k of business at a 25 cent machine, you will average about $50 in bounce back cash from that casino.  Is that about right? 
 
Also, am I likely to get bounce back cash from two separate casinos I give play on a visit that are owned by the same company?  For example if I played at more that one station casino property.
 
Thanks for the help in advance,
 
Wish all of you Royals!
 
Zolas

[Lucky Larry]

Welcome to the forum and VP.

A couple of thoughts:
* Each casino has a policy for cash back. Find out the amount of coin played for the casinos you play.
* Learn how each "day" or "trip" is defined. Casinos often determine your Average Daily Play (ADP) to determine coupons and cash offers. Some casinos use your entire play over a trip (say staying two days as one trip) others count each day to determine your ADP. For example, one casino we play starts the "day" at 2:00 a.m. So if we play until 2:30 a.m. our total play is averaged over 2 days not one.
* Sweet C and I often play on just one of our cards on a trip to improve our ADP.
* Playing two casinos splits your bank roll. Perhaps playing only one per trip will increase your cash back and ADP.
* Check for multiplier days. Our favorite casino gives 3X on Sunday (1 1/2 for VP). But, if we reach a certain player tier (100,000 pts/year) we also get a 3X multiplier on all play. So we play on one card to insure we qualify for higher tiers and then change to the other person's card to qualify.

Hopes some of this helps. Best wishes.

[OTABILL]

Welcome to the forum and VP.


* Sweet C and I often play on just one of our cards on a trip to improve our ADP.
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 A word of caution on using one card. Read the letter to the editor entitled "Joint Account for Married Couples" and response in the June 2012 issue of Arizona Gaming Guide.  http://issuu.com/arizonagamingguide/doc ... esentation Item appears on page 7. I have no idea if the casinos you frequent in Louisiana have the same policies mentioned in the response. You may want to check it out.

[Lucky Larry]

[QUOTE=Lucky Larry]Welcome to the forum and VP.


* Sweet C and I often play on just one of our cards on a trip to improve our ADP.
.

 A word of caution on using one card. Read the letter to the editor entitled "Joint Account for Married Couples" and response in the June 2012 issue of Arizona Gaming Guide.  http://issuu.com/arizonagamingguide/doc ... 4_06_06_12?

viewMode=presentation Item appears on page 7. I have no idea if the casinos you frequent in Louisiana have the same policies mentioned in the response. You may want to check it out.[/QUOTE]

Interesting article. Our regular casino has no problem with us playing on one card since accounts aren't linked. Only one card can access the points/bonus cash. However; at Beau Rivage (Biloxi) where we occasionally play both of our accounts are "linked" and cash offers are combined so we can both access the cash from our individual accounts. Each state and/or perhaps corporation puts into place its own policies.

[BobDancer]

Also, I have read that if you give about 2k of business at a 25 cent machine, you will average about $50 in bounce back cash from that casino.  Is that about right? 
 

  Playing $2K on a FPDW machine often gives you $0 in bounce back cash at most casinos. Because the game exceeds 100% "off the top," casinos that still have this game restrict players who play it --- either in terms of more play required for points, not eligible for mailers and/or other promotions, etc. At Sam's Town, players who play $40K a month on these machines get $5 per week in bounce back --- if they haven't been cut off completely. Larry posted that you should learn the formulas for each casino. That's correct. Except it's often not easy to do this. Casinos regularly change their formulas --- sometimes taking actual wins-and-losses into account, sometimes not. The South Point says they "grade on a curve" meaning that the top-so-many get their best mailer each month and the next-so-many get their second-best mailer, etc. The best you can do oftentimes is to talk to other players who play about the same amount as you and get a "best guess."  Bob

[backsider]

Zolas, my recommendation is to just go to Vegas, enjoy youself, play as well as you can and are content playing, and dont bother worrying yourself over all the things that serious, professional, and fanatical type players spend lots of time doing. Glean what you will from what they say, but you will probably never be on their level anyway, so accept that "it wont happen to you". Most of all, never expect to win, because as you can see from most of the "I hit a jackpot" threads here, the prevailing wisdom is to give it all back along with even more. Yes there are plenty of them.

Just have a good time, and dont come home broke!

[jm002546]

This is my first post, so hi to all out there.
 
I'm a newbie to VP, I am practicing now at home to build my skill at Dueces Wild, JOB and BP.  I live in Southern ca, and will play mostly in Vegas.  It appears at the quarter level Dueceswild is the game that offers the most opportunity for advantage play.  That is at least before looking at bounce back cash, points multiplyers and such. 
 
I am reading a lot online trying to get as much knowledge as possible about playing the comp game to get the most back from the casino.  It appears that beyond points multiplyers one of the most important ways to gain an advantage is the bounce back cash.
 
I have read two schools of thought.  One, give a certain level of play around 2000-2500 to several places to maximize bounce back cash, and others who say give the majority to one place, and you will maximize bennifit back.  What is your take?
 
Also, I have read that if you give about 2k of business at a 25 cent machine, you will average about $50 in bounce back cash from that casino.  Is that about right? 
 
Also, am I likely to get bounce back cash from two separate casinos I give play on a visit that are owned by the same company?  For example if I played at more that one station casino property.
 
Thanks for the help in advance,
 
Wish all of you Royals!
 
Zolas$50 represents 2 to 2 1/2% of coin in - you can't possibly expect that on low hold games

[Quad Deuces]

The best mailers I have ever received for playing 25c Full-Pay Deuces were from the Palms.  I pretty much played FPDW exclusively until they took it out last year - then I stopped playing there.  They sent me two $160 mailers (and they only required two $80 trips each.  ) in Jan and Feb 2012 out of the blue.  I only had about $10K in in 2011.  FPDW hasn't been back there long enough to determine what they're doing now.Also, from what I can tell, if you win at the Palms your mailers stop for about 3 months.  Not even megabucks free pulls. Still get gift giveaways though.You can play and play and play FPDW at Stations and they'll send you, maybe, $10/month.All this is for an account with a local vegas address.  Not sure what an LA address will get you.

[zolas]

Thanks for all the good feedback.  Maybe I asked the wrong question.  I like VP, but the only way I would log more than a very small number of hours at it is if I can get a reasonably exploitable edge. 
All things included, payback from the game, slot card points reademable for free play/cash and bounce back cash excetra, can a player get a reasonably worth the time exploitable edge on the .25-1.00-5.00  VP machines?
I would define reasonably worth the time as around  a 1.25% advatage on .25 games, a 1%+ advantage with $1 games, and  a .75% on $5 games.
 
I don't expect to ever be Bob Dancer, but I am willing to work hard at the game and working the casino to be a part time pro..... is that still possible?

[backsider]

Dont leave your day job zolas, and dont believe half of what you read about living off that edge.