Your % of perfect play... DDB

[roveer]

I play mostly DDB and I'm curious about those who use software or "trainers" to keep their skill level polished.  For those who do, I'm curious as to what your percentage is of perfect play.  When I'm practicing, I'm usually between 95-97% over a couple hundred hands.  If I'm not concentrating it can and will fall to 93%.  If I'm really paying attention and getting no brainer hands, it can and does stay at 100% until I screw up.  I'd say there are still a handful of pesky hands that I can't seem to find any device that will allow me to memorize.  I'm going to start making a list, but since most trainers only tell you when you've made a mistake, I can't seem to figure out how I can learn these hands. Is it possible with DDB to get your play 100% dead on, no mistakes across 100's of hands?  Like I said, there are a handful of hands that I just can't master.  And of course there's always distraction & fatigue or just plain being careless. What say you? Roveer.

[ginfre]

Hey Roveer, how ya doin'?  Would you go back to your 2/10 Topic and read what I wrote and respond.  You seem pretty conscientious and my calculations were from WizardofOdds.com.  BTW, Bob Dancer has free classes at South Point the 12th and the 19th at noon, the topic being DDB QQ and DDB UltimateX--probably pick up some good info for your game.  I'd play it also but factoring in the ups and downs and apparent real dollar payout over time, of course, keeps me away from the big scores.  95-97% range is a good effort anytime, factoring in all the things that can occur.  Doubtless those minor misses your referring too are very small percentage advantages over what you actually played.  Thanks.

[davidearl]

   My % correct is usually 96% to 100%. If I haven"t trained for several months I'm at the lower level. The trainer on the Wizzard's site will tell you what your % return is, which is more important. The errors are quite small, and my return is always 99% or better.              Dave

[brmcc74]

When I was playing regularly my correct hold rate % was 99.8.  Thats alot of practice and since I have stopped playing, Im sure it wouldnt be near that now. You have to eat,breathe,sleep and study it to get the % to rise. One thing that you can do is when you get a hand wrong, write down the hand and write the correct choice as a learning tool. Over time you should see that its only a few hands giving you a fit.

Your question about perfect 100% is obtained easily by Pros or expert Aps. They study the game more than anyone.

[Vman96]

  BTW, Bob Dancer has free classes at South Point the 12th and the 19th at noon, the topic being DDB QQ and DDB UltimateX--probably pick up some good info for your game.

These classes would be bad for a normal DDB player, particularly Ultimate X. Proper strategy for Ultimate X includes things like holding 3 to a flush since making a flush makes your next hand quite valuable.

Ultimate X is a casino goldmine because
1) It has tons of variance, so addicts love the big hits.
2) It usually has terrible paytables.
3) Strategy is significantly different than standard video poker. So even many "good" video poker players play this game badly.

But in the spirit of this thread, I did a quick 15-minute speed session with an 8/5 DDB game on the Wizard of Odds. I rarely play this game, except when I am in Tunica. As per usual, I hit four 3's with an Ace while doing this for zero dollars. :( But I did pretty well for accuracy sake, happy about that.

Results:
Hands played: 212
Errors made: 3
Accuracy (in Hands): 98.5849%
Accuracy (in Value): 99.9786%
Average Error Cost: 0.0011 credits
Total Error Cost: 0.2278 credits

HAND     BEST PLAY     PLAY MADE     ERROR VALUE
CARDS     EXPECTED VALUE     CARDS     EXPECTED VALUE
5h 8d Ad Kh Qc     --A--     2.2225     ---KQ     2.2078     0.0146
Td Ah 5d Jd 7h     -A---     2.2804     T--J-     2.1755     0.1050
8h 9c Tc Jc 9s     8-TJ9     3.7234     -9--9     3.6152     0.1082

[davidearl]

   At the bottom of this page, under Learn, go to Test Your Skills. You will get a lot of the peskier hands.       Dave

[hojo1222]

Most of us that have played and practiced v.p. for any time should be in the upper 90% range . While playing v.p. for winners it shows you the hands that you made mistakes on when you go to analyze mistakes on the tool bar. When looking at this feature you can see a pattern of your frequent mistakes. I, like you, could never figure out why they wanted me to play certain hands different that I was playing them. While in Las Vegas a few weeks ago I went to one of Bob's classes at South point. Although it was Jacks or better, I got to meet Bob and I also picked up a winner's guide to DDB poker. While I have not fixed all my bad habits yet, I have found that most of my mistake are coming from not recognizing penalty cards. In the book it explains them and shows examples, so I now have a better idea of what I'm doing. My favorite saying was... ( if someone would just tell me why maybe I could wrap my hands around it) Well I think I now have the answers. Might be other books that do the same, but I just got this one and thought it might helpful.

[onemoretry]

Most of us that have played and practiced v.p. for any time should be in the 90% range 
 In my opinion, 90% is not nearly good enough. There are two different ways to measure errors.  The simpler of the two just counts the number of errors.  The more meaningful one determines the effect of those errors on the return.  Committing several errors having miniscule effects on return is much less of a concern than committing lesser numbers of  massive ones. I feel that if I cannot play a game with 99.9%+ accuracy in terms of effect on total return, I need more practice.