Deuces Wild Sessions with no Royal or deuces quads

[olds442jetaway]

If I did my homework right, you and I can expect to lose in the long run nearly $ 300 dollars for every $ 5,000 cycled through a machine (an average amount for me on any given day) This would assume there is no natural Royal or deuces quads. On the other hand, in the long run, we would expect to lose only about $ 50- for every 5k cycled through if the deuces quads and natural Royals hit with normal frequency. I figured this based on a 15/9/4/4 game of Deuces Wild. My losses appear to be somewhat higher and that is why I am wondering if this is roughly correct. I guess not hitting enough wild Royals or 5 of a kinds could account for the higher losses as well as any of the paying hands that are coming in less than average.

[FloridaPhil]

I gave up on Deuces some time ago.  It beats all the other games hands down in the fun factor, but for me it's very hard to play perfectly and those days without a Royal or quad deuces are a killer.  It gives me a headache....   

[olds442jetaway]

Agreed! Have just switched to good ol job with a very mild Martingae progression. At least that adds a little fun factor and the losses are much less as long as quads show up about when they should.

[Vman96]

I got an average loss of $333.49 for no Royals or Deuces; you sound like you got a number less than $300. Did you remember that this isn't a 100% game in the first place?

Expected loss: (1 - Total Return + No Royals + No Deuces)*$5000

(1 - 0.989131 + 0.018429 + 0.037399)*$5000 = $333.49

[olds442jetaway]

That is exactly what happened. I got a loss of $ 279 and change without allowing for the 98.91 return that game gives in the long run. Thanks for the correction. As my losses are still more than the 333 number, hits like Wild Royals may not becoming in on average. I am pretty sure I am playing the game correctly based on much practice and verification from Wolf vp etc. Once in awhile, I miss the correct hold due to a sticky button too. At any rate, this is not the game to play if deuces quads and Royals are consistently coming in below average at this casino.

[Vman96]

That is exactly what happened. I got a loss of $ 279 and change without allowing for the 98.91 return that game gives in the long run. Thanks for the correction. As my losses are still more than the 333 number, hits like Wild Royals may not becoming in on average. I am pretty sure I am playing the game correctly based on much practice and verification from Wolf vp etc. Once in awhile, I miss the correct hold due to a sticky button too. At any rate, this is not the game to play if deuces quads and Royals are consistently coming in below average at this casino.

Youre welcome. And yeah, you could be a little below average on another important category too to pick up the slack. Because lack of 4 Deuces will be a little correlated with lack of 4 of kind/5 of a kind as well, and lack of a natural royal will be a little correlated with lack of wild royals.

And you could argue any that video poker game is not the one to play if you aren't hitting the biggest hands on the paytable.