Just found out and confirmed that CET finalized a deal with IGT to purchase 7000 new VP machines. From what I have read they are planning to spread them amongst all of there properties. The new machines will include 3600 upright, 2400 slant top, and 1000 bar top video poker machines.
This could be a good thing as long as they have good pay tables. CET has a lot of older machines where the buttons stick or have other issues and need to be replaced. My fear is that all of the decent pay table machines are going to be removed.
For instance at my home property we have a bank of upright machines where all of the games are optimal play machines. They are quarter / 50 cent machines where you can play either three or five games at a time and can play up to 75 credits. You can choose between 9/6 JOB, 8/5 BP, 9/6 DDB plus a few more games. They are constantly busy. I would hate to see them go.
We will see what happens.
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BillyJoe
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Most of the new machines are server-based, multi denomination, and the casino can set them up anyway they wish, along with a variety of pay tables and games.
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chattycattty
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Most of the new machines are server-based, multi denomination, and the casino can set them up anyway they wish, along with a variety of pay tables and games.
In the grander scheme of things, perhaps switching out 7000 VP machines is not that big of a deal. I have no idea how many VP machines CET has if you add them all up in all of their properties. Maybe 7000 machines represents 1 percent of the total, maybe it represents 10 percent of the total.
At the present time I do all of my gambling at CET properties. How do you think these new machines will impact us as CET video poker players?
In the grander scheme of things, perhaps switching out 7000 VP machines is not that big of a deal. I have no idea how many VP machines CET has if you add them all up in all of their properties. Maybe 7000 machines represents 1 percent of the total, maybe it represents 10 percent of the total.
At the present time I do all of my gambling at CET properties. How do you think these new machines will impact us as CET video poker players?
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BillyJoe
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[QUOTE=billyjoe] Most of the new machines are server-based, multi denomination, and the casino can set them up anyway they wish, along with a variety of pay tables and games.
In the grander scheme of things, perhaps switching out 7000 VP machines is not that big of a deal. I have no idea how many VP machines CET has if you add them all up in all of their properties. Maybe 7000 machines represents 1 percent of the total, maybe it represents 10 percent of the total.
At the present time I do all of my gambling at CET properties. How do you think these new machines will impact us as CET video poker players?[/QUOTE]
The trend in the casinos, I have observed, appears to be to lower the exposure to the casino of a large payout in most games. In VP, this translates to games like TDB only being available at lower denoms.
I am a 7Star, having been one for several years, and for CET properties, there does not seem to be a motivation to attract VP players with 99% EV pay tables in the lower volatility games. In addition, if a few are offered, they are beginning to 'restrict' tier points on better return VP machines, requiring $25 coin in per tier credit, versus the traditional $10 for VP. Slots, on the other hand, are still $5 coin in per tier credit. That should tell you something.
In the grander scheme of things, perhaps switching out 7000 VP machines is not that big of a deal. I have no idea how many VP machines CET has if you add them all up in all of their properties. Maybe 7000 machines represents 1 percent of the total, maybe it represents 10 percent of the total.
At the present time I do all of my gambling at CET properties. How do you think these new machines will impact us as CET video poker players?[/QUOTE]
The trend in the casinos, I have observed, appears to be to lower the exposure to the casino of a large payout in most games. In VP, this translates to games like TDB only being available at lower denoms.
I am a 7Star, having been one for several years, and for CET properties, there does not seem to be a motivation to attract VP players with 99% EV pay tables in the lower volatility games. In addition, if a few are offered, they are beginning to 'restrict' tier points on better return VP machines, requiring $25 coin in per tier credit, versus the traditional $10 for VP. Slots, on the other hand, are still $5 coin in per tier credit. That should tell you something.
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I expect we'll be seeing some "new" machines here in flyoverland soon . . . well they'll be new to us . . .
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[QUOTE=chattycattty] [QUOTE=billyjoe] Most of the new machines are server-based, multi denomination, and the casino can set them up anyway they wish, along with a variety of pay tables and games. In the grander scheme of things, perhaps switching out 7000 VP machines is not that big of a deal. I have no idea how many VP machines CET has if you add them all up in all of their properties. Maybe 7000 machines represents 1 percent of the total, maybe it represents 10 percent of the total. At the present time I do all of my gambling at CET properties. How do you think these new machines will impact us as CET video poker players?[/QUOTE]
The trend in the casinos, I have observed, appears to be to lower the exposure to the casino of a large payout in most games. In VP, this translates to games like TDB only being available at lower denoms.
I am a 7Star, having been one for several years, and for CET properties, there does not seem to be a motivation to attract VP players with 99% EV pay tables in the lower volatility games. In addition, if a few are offered, they are beginning to 'restrict' tier points on better return VP machines, requiring $25 coin in per tier credit, versus the traditional $10 for VP. Slots, on the other hand, are still $5 coin in per tier credit. That should tell you something. [/QUOTE]
We are finishing up our 3rd year as a seven star. Things are in a constant state of flux at CET. We enjoy the 7 star lifestyle with all of the free stuff but realize as CET changes we have to adapt to their changes.
I prefer the lower volatility games with the higher EV pay tables. DDB is about as volatile as I am willing to get at the casino. Hopefully when they roll out these new machines they won't mess with the pay tables too much.
The trend in the casinos, I have observed, appears to be to lower the exposure to the casino of a large payout in most games. In VP, this translates to games like TDB only being available at lower denoms.
I am a 7Star, having been one for several years, and for CET properties, there does not seem to be a motivation to attract VP players with 99% EV pay tables in the lower volatility games. In addition, if a few are offered, they are beginning to 'restrict' tier points on better return VP machines, requiring $25 coin in per tier credit, versus the traditional $10 for VP. Slots, on the other hand, are still $5 coin in per tier credit. That should tell you something. [/QUOTE]
We are finishing up our 3rd year as a seven star. Things are in a constant state of flux at CET. We enjoy the 7 star lifestyle with all of the free stuff but realize as CET changes we have to adapt to their changes.
I prefer the lower volatility games with the higher EV pay tables. DDB is about as volatile as I am willing to get at the casino. Hopefully when they roll out these new machines they won't mess with the pay tables too much.
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In my experience, new machines mean poor paytables. At least that is the case in the Ct. casinos. We are starting to see a sprinkling of 6/5 job machines now with 7/5 being very common. The other games have similar poor payouts.I hope I am wrong in this case, but I am afraid I am not. They have really done a job on the Deuces Wild games too making most of the new ones 10/8/4/4. You can still find the other better paytables on older machines, but fewer and fewer of them are still operable.
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Vman96
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In my experience, new machines mean poor paytables. At least that is the case in the Ct. casinos. We are starting to see a sprinkling of 6/5 job machines now with 7/5 being very common. The other games have similar poor payouts.I hope I am wrong in this case, but I am afraid I am not. They have really done a job on the Deuces Wild games too making most of the new ones 10/8/4/4. You can still find the other better paytables on older machines, but fewer and fewer of them are still operable.
Generally, yeah, this is what I expect too. If they bother to keep full-pay units, they will be few and far between, and for higher denominations.
Generally, yeah, this is what I expect too. If they bother to keep full-pay units, they will be few and far between, and for higher denominations.
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chattycattty
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Sounds like the consensus is that these 7000 new VP machines, is that instead of enhancing the gambling experience as they are suggesting they will do, it is going to be harder in the future to hold your own at CET properties. I guess only time will tell.
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BillyJoe
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To be honest, I do not get scared off with poor paytables. As long as I can get a few quads, I will give up a credit on FHs and Flushes.
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