Better Hits on worse paytables

[olds442jetaway]

This is another new pattern I have noticed in the last year or so. Especially true on the lower denomination machines. For example, the last few trips I have been playing 2 cent spin poker Joker kings. The game has a terrible paytable. 20/5 5 being for the full house. Probably in the 95-96% range. Played at both Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods. Granted, I am playing a Martingale clone system, but still. In 4 sessions, a single twenty has turned anywhere from the 20 to 40 on the lowest day, and 20 to 108 dollars on the best day. All of this without hitting any Royals or even 5 of a kinds. The quads seemed to be very generous though. Unfortunately, when I tried the same thing on quarters with a 98 plus paytable, nada.
     Also, I am actually ahead for 2015 on the Double Down Stud machines which are only 97% machines. I am not ahead for the year, due to playing the 99.54 and 98.91 quarter machines. Also no Royals in 700k hands doesn't help. I don't even think about hitting one anymore and am content with deuces quads or 5 of a kinds on joker.
     I have talked to the few die hard players left and they all have similar stories. Unfortunately, most of us that hit at the lower denominations, give it back when we try the higher denominations with better paytables. Could be coincidence, but I have seen some great hits on this site with lousy paytables and quite a few posts stating they hit the permium hands for the most part on the worst paytable games. Interesting, will see what develops as the year goes on. For now, I am content just to play and I will stick mostly to these penny and similar games.

[BobDancer]

Could be coincidence, but I have seen some great hits on this site with lousy paytables and quite a few posts stating they hit the permium hands for the most part on the worst paytable games. Interesting, will see what develops as the year goes on. For now, I am content just to play and I will stick mostly to these penny and similar games.When lots of players play bad pay schedules and post all W2Gs, you'll see plenty of good payoffs on this site.Do not conclude that these are winning players or playing bad pay tables leads to winning. It doesn't.Merely conclude that these people get excited whenever they get a good hand, and so they post it. They can be down $5,000 and hit a $2000 hand and be so happy they post it. Be happy for them if you like. But follow their example at your own peril.

[notes1]

you go into a casino, find a VP machine with the paytables you like and sit down to play. you play one hour and lose, give it another hour...same result. you spend 8 hours at the same machine, lose your bankroll. you wonder, how it it possible i lost a lot more than the math said i would.  that machine may have a life span of 10 years. it sits there non stop, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for 10 years. that's 87600 hours. the amount of time the average recreational player spends in front of any machine is insignificant to overall life of a machine. to expect results that are based on many years of service, while we are only at a machine for a fraction of the time, seems illogical.  hasn't everyone planned a vacation to a place where the weather turned out to be much different than the normal. the weather runs 24 hours a day and so do the machines, not just when we are there.  knowing how to play helps, good paytables help, but luck is really the dominant factor.     

[djc32]

knowing how to play helps, good paytables help, but luck is really the dominant factor.  

Of course luck is a factor in the short term(a few sessions) but over the long term(100's to 1000's of sessions) the pay table and proper strategy has been ,and will always be the most dominant factors.

Some may not agree or like to hear it, but the math doesn't lie.

[Tedlark]

I agree with both notes and djc.I make this statement of my own free will and also at my own peril. Have a nice day.

[notes1]

i'll take ted's luck over anybody's math everyday of the week. 

[olds442jetaway]

I agree with most if not all of the posted replies. My original post is just my observtions and I think people like to talk about winning a lot more than losing. Kind of makes everyone feel better and stay excited about vp. It is sure nice to see some of the big wins posted here. I think of course knowing how to play is important, but I also think luck is really the dominant factor. Most of us will not live long enough to have the " math " catch up with itself and give true long term results. Most of us will remember and retell stories of hits others or ourselves have had that defy common sense playing. We all have seen a machine that has been pounded for hours with terrible results only to see that person give up and next person who sits down hit a Royal or something else great in just a couple of hands. I like to retell the story of the homeless lady in Atlantic City that I saw myself make a bundle with a dollar chip she found on the floor. I was only in my 30's myself then. She bet the chip on a craps table I was standing near on the number 12. It hit on the next roll. She let ride. It hit again. Let it ride. It hit again. She took it down and the following roll was another number 12. I don't know of anyone who has seen 4 consecutive 12's ever. I think as a kid playing the game of risk, one of the neighborhood kids did it, but I don't remember all of the detail on that one. Anyway, luck seems to be the key and smart play is of course important. I actually wouldn't mind reading a few more incredible luck stories myself if anyone cares to post them. Sure makes for some interesting reading. Meanwhile, we will keep pounding the keys ( lightly hopefully ) hoping luck will turn our way too.

[chattycattty]

Ted's luck trumps Dancer's math any day of the week.

[Tedlark]

Ahh if I could only put it into some fancy packaging; wrap it in plastic; and, hawk it online. That's it; you'll soon be seeing me on "Sharktank."

[alpax]

I believe Dancer's math last for decades of play, luck comes and goes for everyone.

People who play thousands of hands will need luck which is most of us, people who play millions of hands will need skill.