100% Triple Bonus Poker

[DaBurglar]

At the Golden Nugget (or as a couple friends call it who repeatedly experience what THEY call rigged sessions there, the golden "Noogie"), I encountered at least four table top machines with menus of 99% or better games....Including Triple Bonus Poker with paytables that IMPLY over 100%!!! (now I thought 100% was illegal in NJ, but maybe this is a mistake on the part of the casino, and since the New jERSEY Gaming Commission Agents, a.k.a. the "State police", NEVER patrol or inspect the floors anymore, obviously no one on that end will catch this supposed error, so bang away kids, while it lasts.....)The triple Bonus Poker paytable in question (over 100%) is as follows:4000 ("Royale with Cheese")250 ("Straight" Flush)1200 (Four Ahhces)600  (Four two Four Three Four Four...I just adore four its the number for me)375 (Four of a Kind which is really one of a kind when you are losing)55  (Full House, now in re-runs on the WE)35 (Flush, but leave the seat down)25 (Straight, thank you)15 (Three's a crowd)5  (Two pair, mismatched of course)5  (Kings are Better than a President, bring back the Monarchy)Of course, good luck maintaining a BANKROLL with this game and paytable, you will notice that you will get a plethora ( or "a Bunch" for those of you who got 450 on your verbal SAT) of pairs of Jacks and Queens now that its only KINGS-or-BETTER that pays.     In a land (like AC) where quads are as rare as compassion amidst Republicans these days, this game is probably a disaster waiting to happen.Still, if you adhere to Bob "Dancing with the Seven stars" Dancer, this is the ONLY game you'd choose in a casino where everything else is LESS than 100% paytables.

[BobDancer]

The normal version of 11-7 TB is for straights to pay 4 for 1 rather than 5 for 1. That returns 99.58%. My "best guess" is that this is the game at the GN, although I'm a couple of thousand miles away and haven't seen it. If DB is going from memory, it's possible he made a mistake in the pay schedule. If DB looks at the game after seeing this note and still says it is 5-for-1, I'll believe him. He's a competent observer. Whether the game is playable or not, to me, depends on the slot club and promotions. If I ever became convinced the games there were unfair, I'd stop playing. Continuing to play while constantly complaining that the games are unfair makes no sense to me. That's like beating your head against the wall, announce that it REALLY hurts, but continue to do it for some reason. Not my style.This has basically the same EV as 9/6 JoB with a MUCH higher variance. For someone who is convinced that the games are unfair in AC (rightly or wrongly), playing a game that pays a premium on quads should probably be avoided.

[DaBurglar]

The normal version of 11-7 TB is for straights to pay 4 for 1 rather than 5 for 1. That returns 99.58%. My "best guess" is that this is the game at the GN, although I'm a couple of thousand miles away and haven't seen it. If DB is going from memory, it's possible he made a mistake in the pay schedule. If DB looks at the game after seeing this note and still says it is 5-for-1, I'll believe him. He's a competent observer. Whether the game is playable or not, to me, depends on the slot club and promotions. If I ever became convinced the games there were unfair, I'd stop playing. Continuing to play while constantly complaining that the games are unfair makes no sense to me. That's like beating your head against the wall, announce that it REALLY hurts, but continue to do it for some reason. Not my style.This has basically the same EV as 9/6 JoB with a MUCH higher variance. For someone who is convinced that the games are unfair in AC (rightly or wrongly), playing a game that pays a premium on quads should probably be avoided.

Ok Bob, first off thanks for the "measured tone" of your otherwise extremely competent reply.   I know you think I am a friggin moron    for playing games I think are rigged,  but at least I appreciate the way (this time) you were nice about it and allowed me to save a little face by your equating it with "style"  lol     I will explain why I do this (COMPLAIN or point out what I see in AC) in a moment, and invite you to respond to that response with hopefully the final say on this issue, but first.......Of course It is possible I am remembering incorrectly but I am pretty certain the actual machine I PLAYED (one of a bank of four) was indeed 11-7-5......I admit I assumed the other 3 would be identical to the one I played but I did not actually play the other three;  But as you know yourself BOB,  mistakes and aberrations happen all the time in casinos with paytables, which is why it always pays to look around carefully when visiting a casino for the first time or after a lengthy absence.    I just texted a friend of mine who lives near AC to check the Golden Nugget-AC machines the next time he gets a chance.....obviously, anyone reading this if they happen to visit the GN -AC before I hear back, by all means PLEASE post and let us know.    Regarding my incessant reporting of what I perceive is the aberrational nature of MANY (not ALL) Video Poker machines/Games  in AC....Honestly BOB, what I am hoping is indeed, someone like YOU (or anyone in a position of authority)  to come along and flatout PROVE to me that I am wrong and that things in AC are exactly as the should be (on the level).......Do you follow?    My own attempts to get to the bottom of the statistically skewed results I have seen have yielded far more confusion than answers.    I am hoping (indeed LOOKING) for someone to tell me what I tried to convince myself of earlier....that what I am seeing is simply a FLUKE, just HORRIBLY bad luck......OR....the alternative (which is what I seem to be actually getting) is to have a mass of people come out and actually agree with me and say they have observed the same results (and no I do not simply mean people saying "yeah I lost too")    I mean actual people who have noticed the "dud" rate in the high 60s or worse (instead of the expected 55%) and/or  people experiencing return % of 78-79%  consistently on most video poker games they play in AC, instead of the implied/advertised rates of 95% or better.I dont know if that helps explain myself or not, but please dont think I am some type of nut job.....I have already detailed WHY I love the city of AC in and of itself, so you know my motive in wanting to resolve, one way or another, the seemingly weird video poker results I KEEP getting.FYI-  Bob I would lOVE to hear some of your stories from the past about "weird" or erroneous Paytable values youhave  encountered over the years and how you may or may not have taken advantage!  (i.e   what was the "BEST "  Paytable error you ever encountered or heard about?)   

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar if you love Atlantic City for many things other than video poker then why don't you concentrate on those loves instead of playing video poker there?

Why don't you file a lawsuit and begin a civil action naming the State of New Jersey, Atlantic City, the New Jersey Gaming Commission, the New Jersey State Police, and all of the Atlantic City casinos as defendants? Maybe you can get them to answer all of your questions (and more) this way?

[DaBurglar]

DaBurglar if you love Atlantic City for many things other than video poker then why don't you concentrate on those loves instead of playing video poker there?

What a great idea!!!!   Thanks!Oh wait a sec, hold the phone.....er, umm, I already am doing this......I've mentioned this numerous times, particularly about all the other interesting and nice things to see and do in South Jersey, the entire coast all the way up to the delaware/pennsylvania (philadelphia) "corner border", and beyond.   Since this is a video poker forum....and I am just quirky this way, I tend to SLANT my posts along that topic's line.....but I've mentioned numerous times my perception of AC as a whole apart from the casinos.....what I do and how I spend my time when I visit AC varies quite a bit as the seasons change and as the city changes (which sadly has been for the worse the last few years.)   I mentioned in a previous post my last visit to a place called "historic Smithville", but I doubt most forum members come here to read about things they can easily research or read about on their own or by watching the travel channel.One bright spot is, for the current year 2015, my TOTAL video POKER losses in AC are almost exactly 1/4 they were for 2014, which makes sense since I indeed have played far far less total video poker than past years.   I am also slightly ahead in terms of PROFIT for my  LIVE poker play ....

[FAA]

In a land (like AC) where quads are as rare as compassion amidst
Republicans these days, this game is probably a disaster waiting to
happen.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That was certainly my story on both sessions this weekend! Low Roller Hell. On Sat, a JOB quad took 70 minutes at Bally's. On Sun, 90 minutes at Borgata. But fear not. I saw a DW quad deuce $1000 win on a machine that was ice cold to me on a prior visit. That just compounded the frustration. If you got the patience, and bank, they've got the games. Per Ted's suggestion, I have been finding other things to do in town beyond spiking my blood pressure via VP.

[DaBurglar]

In a land (like AC) where quads are as rare as compassion amidst
Republicans these days, this game is probably a disaster waiting to
happen.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That was certainly my story on both sessions this weekend! Low Roller Hell. On Sat, a JOB quad took 70 minutes at Bally's. On Sun, 90 minutes at Borgata. But fear not. I saw a DW quad deuce $1000 win on a machine that was ice cold to me on a prior visit. That just compounded the frustration. If you got the patience, and bank, they've got the games. Per Ted's suggestion, I have been finding other things to do in town beyond spiking my blood pressure via VP.




FAA....how often do you visit AC and what is your typical strategy?  DO you STAY in hotels there or do you live close enough where you just visit the casino and then head home?    I'd very much like to meet up with you my next time in AC.

[DaBurglar]

For anyone still interested, I confirmed that the paytable I saw and
briefly played at GN, that was 11-7-5 was indeed an error and has since
been corrected to 11-7-4 (which is still a 99.5% game)......

[Vman96]

For anyone still interested, I confirmed that the paytable I saw and
briefly played at GN, that was 11-7-5 was indeed an error and has since
been corrected to 11-7-4 (which is still a 99.5% game)......

Eh, it happens. Triple Bonus is hard enough to find anyway, let alone a 11/7/4 game. I remember when I saw "Shockwave Poker" for the first time I thought it paid 250 coins for regular quads, which would give a hefty edge. I never got back around to double check, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.

[Carcounter]

Played this at the Taj years ago with moderate success.