Question on big payouts in bars.

[billryan]

I just read about Mr Dancer hitting $100,000 on a NSU Deuces at a local pub. Are bars required to have that sort of cash on hand to pay off a winner? What is the regulation for this?   Thanks

[FloridaPhil]

$100Gs from a Pub!!  Better hold that check for a few days. Drink up... 

[Vman96]

Bob can verify this for sure, but I would expect they would have to go somewhere else for the cash, or they possibly could cut him a check since it's Dotty's. Dotty's is not your typical bar poker place. As Bob points out in his latest article, they have over 100 locations in Nevada. They also own a couple traditional casinos now. I'm pretty shocked Dotty's offers those denominations at their limited-gaming facilities though.

They also have a few locations in Illinois too, but there is no VP there that can be played profitably. Statewide the best game I've seen currently offered at bars/restaurants is 6/5 Super DDB with a $500 cap on wins (state law) which is 96.47% for 1-4 coins and 96.78% for five coins. The max bet is $2 (also state law). The 8 quarter paytable is very weird, straight flushes and lower quad payouts are pushed higher so more categories approach the $500 cap and return keeps slightly increasing with optimal play. I think its still sub 97% for a $2 bet though.

[alpax]

Bob can verify this for sure, but I would expect they would have to go somewhere else for the cash, or they possibly could cut him a check since it's Dotty's. Dotty's is not your typical bar poker place. As Bob points out in his latest article, they have over 100 locations in Nevada. They also own a couple traditional casinos now. I'm pretty shocked Dotty's offers those denominations at their limited-gaming facilities though.



From reading the article, it makes me want to check one out to see what game variants are available. First time hearing about the availability of such adjustable stakes at a bar.

Here is the link to the article just in case anyone wants to read about it

Bob Dancer LasVegasAdvisor Article 4-12-2016 : Quitting When I'm Ahead

[BobDancer]

$100Gs from a Pub!!  Better hold that check for a few days. Drink up... 

Typical stellar advice from FP. He consistently makes up for his poor judgment by posting more here than anybody else. I hope the rest of you aren't sucked in by his "good ideas."It took about 30 minutes for the supervisor to get there to cut the check (each supervisor has several stores to handle and there is no telling what other "fires" the supervisor is putting out at any given time --- in the past it has taken between 10 minutes and 2 hours to get there.) I always bring a book along to read --- in case. Usually it goes unread while I'm on property  --- but when something like this happens, I'm ready.The check was in the bank 20 minutes after I received it. It cleared. No problem.

[BobDancer]

[QUOTE=alpax] [ From reading the article, it makes me want to check one out to see what game variants are available. First time hearing about the availability of such adjustable stakes at a bar.

 /QUOTE]For dollar single line and higher, there are a number of games in the 99%+ range --- topping out at NSU, which is why I play the game.For quarter and lower denoms, the games are quite bad.

[billryan]

    If a bar has better games at $1 than at quarters, does it make sense to pay for $1 or $2 instead of full coin at the 25 cent level?

[olds442jetaway]

Nice hit Bob, especially since in the long run the quad deuces will come along only once every 13 (400 hands or so sessions) based on your article if I read it correctly. Percentage wise, my results on Airport Deuces are about the same as yours when the quad deuces don't appear in a session. A 10% hit is quite common for me in the absence of the quad deuces in a session. Now if I could only get the Royals to come around to rid me of that extra nearly 2% long term loss for not hitting them.
     I know they are in there and it is not just the casino I play at since I see people hitting them all around me. In fact, last Sunday night, the lady sitting right next to me playing Ultimate X for quarters and 5 hands at a time hit Royals just 20 or so dealt hands apart. I was right there to see both of them. Nice 2k she picked up and she only played 1 twenty when she sat down...and such is the nature of vp.

[notes1]

dancer....congrats.

[olds442jetaway]

Just a little more simple math so the folks here can see where Bob is coming from in his Las Vegas Adviser article referenced below. If Bob plays about 400 hands a week x 4.3 weeks in a month that would be 1,720 hands played in an average month. Since quad deuces don't come around but every 5,000 plus hands long term, it makes sense that he could go as he states months and months without hitting quad deuces in that situation. ( 1720x3months ) = 5,160. In his situation hitting the quad deuces about every 3 months would be about right as a long term average. The saving grace for Bob is hitting the Royal about on schedule long term and timing the mailers to get as much free play and benefits as possible. As he states, sometimes when he hits the quad deuces, he is still behind for that particular sequence since his last break. That explains a lot for those of us like myself who just do not seem to hit Royals anywhere near the average 40-45k hands over several or even many years. In that situation, ( mine and hopefully not too many others ) we will always be behind the 8 ball. I suggest everyone read the article first hand and not just my IMO analysis here so one can see first hand what Bob is speaking about as well as the rest of the article which is quite interesting.