my findings

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BobDancer]That is an hysterical and mis-informed quote. There are
numerous posters on this forum more knowledgeable than him, and many
with a lot more experience as well.[/quote]Mr. Dancer has nothing to fear from me returning to the Strategy Forum.  Like most VP players in America we have never played an advantage VP game in our lives.   According to him we should all take up golf or pinochle. The Recreational Forum is for players who must play negative VP games or not play at all.  If you use Dancer strategy on these games you are going to lose and the bigger you bet the more you are going to lose.  This is a mathematical fact that I am sure he would agree with.One thing I do find amusing.  Every time someone on the forum mentions my name or any strategy related to me, Mr. Dancer fires off a post in huge capital letters reminding everyone that he is the VP expert here.  We know that.  You keep telling us over and over again.  Cool it Mr. Dancer.  No one is questioning anything about you.  We are playing games you never play.   That is the one fact that keeps getting lost in these posts.If you are new to this website you may be asking why we have separate forums. When I came to the website some eight years ago, I came here with the hopes of learning how to be a better VP player.   I asked a lot of questions and learned a lot.   When I applied what I was told to my play, things were a lot different.  Why did this not work for me?  Was I not skilled or intelligent enough?  When I started questioning the experts, I was called names and told I wasn't disciplined or intelligent enough to win.  The prevailing theory is if you play only positive VP games perfectly, in time you will win.   But, where are the positive games?  Who can play perfectly forever?  How long is long term?  I was told I needed to add in my comps to make the games positive.  Checking with the players club, they said I could have all the T shirts and free drinks I wanted.  Was this the profit they were talking about?  Something didn't add up here.I eventually realized there is a difference in the landscape between a professional VP player in Vegas and someone playing quarter VP in Miami.  I started posting these differences and Mr. Dancer went ballistic calling me all kinds of names and even called my ideas dangerous.  Mr. Dancer called for a vote on who was going to be allowed to speak, he lost and left the forum.  To get him to return we came to the compromise we have today, two separate forums.  As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with any of Mr. Dancer's strategies or ideas as long as you can play 100% VP games like he does. No one is going to call you names for posting here.  If someone does, we will call them out for it.  The world is not flat, but we will listen to your arguments if you think it is.  Free speech and new ideas are important.  When you stifle it, you stop progress.

[FAA]

Play bigger, lose bigger, pay bigger. I certainly have the data. My plan to approximate break even with a RF never came to fruition, contingent as it was on RNG generosity. They were great dreams. I will either do the quarter grind or a strict CS dollar diet with a tiny max bet quota.

[billryan]

Repeating the same lies over and over doesn't make them true. It simply shows you are a liar. It's not your ideas that are dangerous, it is your lies.
Why anyone would make it their mission to fight with experts and math is beyond me, but I suspect no sane person would do it. Perhaps it has something to do with small hands.


















[quote=BobDancer]That is an hysterical and mis-informed quote. There are
numerous posters on this forum more knowledgeable than him, and many
with a lot more experience as well.Mr. Dancer has nothing to fear from me returning to the Strategy Forum.  Like most VP players in America we have never played an advantage VP game in our lives.   According to him we should all take up golf or pinochle. The Recreational Forum is for players who must play negative VP games or not play at all.  If you use Dancer strategy on these games you are going to lose and the bigger you bet the more you are going to lose.  This is a mathematical fact that I am sure he would agree with.One thing I do find amusing.  Every time someone on the forum mentions my name or any strategy related to me, Mr. Dancer fires off a post in huge capital letters reminding everyone that he is the VP expert here.  We know that.  You keep telling us over and over again.  Cool it Mr. Dancer.  No one is questioning anything about you.  We are playing games you never play.   That is the one fact that keeps getting lost in these posts.If you are new to this website you may be asking why we have separate forums. When I came to the website some eight years ago, I came here with the hopes of learning how to be a better VP player.   I asked a lot of questions and learned a lot.   When I applied what I was told to my play, things were a lot different.  Why did this not work for me?  Was I not skilled or intelligent enough?  When I started questioning the experts, I was called names and told I wasn't disciplined or intelligent enough to win.  The prevailing theory is if you play only positive VP games perfectly, in time you will win.   But, where are the positive games?  Who can play perfectly forever?  How long is long term?  I was told I needed to add in my comps to make the games positive.  Checking with the players club, they said I could have all the T shirts and free drinks I wanted.  Was this the profit they were talking about?  Something didn't add up here.I eventually realized there is a difference in the landscape between a professional VP player in Vegas and someone playing quarter VP in Miami.  I started posting these differences and Mr. Dancer went ballistic calling me all kinds of names and even called my ideas dangerous.  Mr. Dancer called for a vote on who was going to be allowed to speak, he lost and left the forum.  To get him to return we came to the compromise we have today, two separate forums.  As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with any of Mr. Dancer's strategies or ideas as long as you can play 100% VP games like he does. No one is going to call you names for posting here.  If someone does, we will call them out for it.  The world is not flat, but we will listen to your arguments if you think it is.  Free speech and new ideas are important.  When you stifle it, you stop progress.


















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[FloridaPhil]

Bill, do you believe degrading
others on this forum makes you appear more intelligent or superior?  It
doesn't.  It makes you seem petty and defensive.   Truly intelligent
people listen to the opinions of others, try to see things from their
point of view and use logic to persuade them to change their minds, not
insult them and expect to be respected in return.Sadly, this is the same tactic Mr. Dancer has used on this forum for years. When someone questions his strategies or statements, instead of giving a straight answer he insults them, calls them names and dodges the question.   He would be so much more helpful if he would discusses negative VP games instead of dismissing them outright.  He won't do this because he knows playing negative VP is a loser and no one wants to buy a book about losing.Strategies that only work on games I can not play are useless to me.   Players only need to examine their own results to figure this out for themselves.  If you can play positive VP games perfectly, do it.   The rest of us are on our own.  All I ever tried to do on this forum was help players who play games Mr. Dancer will not play lose less money.  Somehow this makes me public enemy number one.

[onemoretry]

So, a poster makes a statement regarding Phil's knowledge and experience that everyone on here, including Phil himself, knows is incorrect.   Bob Dancer points this out, and now , Phils knickers are in a knot again, so along comes another anti-Dancer rant.

Do I have it right so far?

[FloridaPhil]

Bob could have directed the person to the Recreational Forum without the embellishment.  I would have accepted that and answered the man's questions as best I could.  Bob only sees VP from his prospective and expects everyone else to think and play like he does.  He is wrong about not being able to win playing negative games.  It all depends upon when you quit playing.   If someone goes into the casino and hits a royal on their first hand, walks out and never returns, they prove Bob Dancer wrong.   The problem is when do you walk out?  Bob does not believe a strategy should be based on luck.   What's so ironic is hitting a royal flush is mostly luck and without hitting them on time he will lose just like everyone else.If someone asks a question on the Recreational Forum that is better off being answered on the Strategy forum, I would tell them to go there.   I wouldn't say "Go there because they don't know what they are talking about".   This forum is not about mathematics, odds, perfect play, EV or anything else promising to make you a winner.   It's about getting the most VP entertainment for your money.

[billryan]

As if anything can be more entertaining than watching a delusional person constantly showing the depths of their ignorance.
Then again, creating sock puppets is a pretty sick thing.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=FloridaPhil]When someone questions his strategies or statements, instead of giving a
straight answer he insults them, calls them names and dodges the
question. [/quote]

[stevel96a1]

I cam here to learn more about the mechanics of videopoker and the math behind it i truly dislike people like Bill because he has something negative to say (Which may or may not be true but the way he phrases it seems to go out of his way to be rude) anywayi wish to learn everything about video poker the good the bad and the voodoo, Arnold Synder once said read everything about blackjack even the rubbish and try it yourself at home to see if stands the test of time also by Stanly Robert, i am applying the same technique , but all 80% of people here like Mr Phil said they rather put you downeveryone has different video poker luck and different video poker gamesmy wife egged me on to play VP with her after a loss of 200$ some odd dollars and i was trying to convince her to play baccarat well 3min of VP side by side w/ my wife i hit the 3 card hold Royal  a bad loss turns into a great night i have gotten royals 1 day apart, from a 1 card hold and a 2 card hold i do believe with Phil claiming it is luckand i do agree with Phil Bob has acccess to to Positive VP machines when 95% do not on the east coast you all seem to be either siting idle and talking down or you could be like Phil and explore new things i like to keep an open mind BUT also proceed with caution but you all seem to be bent on talking this and that and the other

[FAA]

Surely the Vegas people are not so disingenuous as to maintain the integrity of their blueprint for the rest of us. Theirs is an untenable blueprint which simply does not stand scrutiny on negative games. If you're in a freezing environment, put on winter wear. We're taking similar protective measures to avoid financial pneumonia.