my findings

[OTABILL]

"Computer simulations can never predict what happens in real playing conditions."

This is complete and utter hogwash! Remember, you ARE playing VP on a computer in a casino.

Let me add that I don't care how someone else plays, what strategy they use and whatnot. But false information just cannot get a pass.

Computer simulations will determine expected results given an infinite number of hands played. However, the average recreational player does not come anywhere close to playing an infinite number of hands. I doubt I played a million VP hands in 10+ years in casinos. The probability of a computer simulation matching my exact results is remote. The fewer hands played the greater the possible standard deviation.

[billryan]

Well, I guess we agree to disagree.  That's what this forum is about.  If you can program a simulation to make all the errors a human can make, what do you have?   Is there any chance for variation from one player to the next or does everyone's results come out in lockstep with the computer?  From our experience most decent Recreational VP Players are playing at about a 5% disadvantage.  This is based on our results over the past 10 years.   This counts negative odds, errors, machine malfunctions, distractions, bad luck and all the rest.  This is why I am a proponent of cheap play. Players should realize attempting to emulate a professional VP player's results without the same skills, assets and advantages is a possible road to bankruptcy.  Do you have access to positive games?  Can you play 100% computer perfect forever?  Do you have the stamina, guts and bankroll to weather huge financial swings?  Is your family going to support you when things go bad?   The honest answer for 99% of us is NO.  Then why do you want to use the same methodology?There are ways to enjoy playing Video Poker in a casino without taking huge risks.   You'll have more fun for less money.  If you hit a jackpot, you can keep it instead of feeding it back into the machines.  I play both ways.  Both are fun.  Neither will make you rich.   It's your choice.



















It's bull**** like this that exposes you for the fraud you are. You have personally observed players play at a five percent disadvantage? Utter crap. Where is your evidence? Just more of your made up nonsense.

[Jstark]

I see people playing 6/5 jacks or 6/5 DDB every day. Nickel players don't care.

[DaBurglar]

More lies.
Never once claimed to be retired from the Army. Certainly never claimed the stock market was a bad investment.
How about putting your money where your fat, lying, ass is?
Simply find one post where I said either of those things? Just one.
I'd offer to leave forever if you'd do the same when you don't find them, but we have already seen how worthless your word is.
Is that cohesive enough for you? Just find a single post to back up your claims and I'm gone forever. What do you have to lose? Or you can keep spreading your pathetic lies and half truths, as usual.
Then again, I doubt even you believe your nonsense.



This is an awesome thread!

I'm curious though, billyryan raises a valid point here....where or what exactly prompted FloridaPhil to post about billyryan's alleged army career (or lack thereof), or where or what did billyryan say about the stock market to prompt FloridaPhil to state billyryan thinks stock investing sucks????   Where are these posts or quotes by billyryan??

My interest on this issue is obvious....in the past, on multiple occasions, several other pisters on this forum have made generalized, false and misleading statements about ME in the course of spewing their irrational (and futile) hostility towards me... I have always responded in the way billyryan essentially just did, by directly challenging the guilty parties to show precisely where their evidence is (typically I would say something like "I defy you to show me where, or show me the post, where I said such-and such...." etc etc). In every case, they just ignored my challenge and smugly revelled in their petty mean-spirited ignorance.

I'm neither a supporter or opposer of FloridaPhil, and while billyryan is on record as saying he is not a fan of mine (and has creatively told me on different occasions to go pound myself without actually telling me to "go pound myself" -- full disclosure-- that's my personal interpretation of his tone and meaning and intent....it is possible, however slight, that maybe he secretly admires me), I believe we need more adherence to accuracy and truthfulness with respect to what actually is and is not said on these pages. After all, it's the only real evidence and info we have vis-a-vis each other!

[stevel96a1]

billkuykIn 2014 my loss was $72, in 2015 I lost $472, in 2016 I won $5,860 and
last year I lost $1,017. (Guess which year I had the royal while at a $2
machine.) I should note that most of my play is quarter or 50 centsFloridaPhilComputers don't make errors.  They don't stop to go to the bathroom or
eat lunch.  They also don't run off to the high limit room in an attempt
to catch back up or get bored and switch games.   Perfect examples why Mr Phil is correct again finding a 99% game and altering amount betting maybe a key to success now i ran  3500 hands on TDB and 3500 aces and faces (97.07 vs 99.25) i did 3500 each 20 times or a month play and the results were TDB ended +1455 with 200$ quit point and Aces and faces ended +4820 again after 800 credits were won or until it finished the 6-8hr of play, now i did the same ran through 70k hands on each game without quit points and TDB was down-13020 credits were Aces and Faces was down 2530credits still holding on the original Bankroll, what we need is to find a 99% game and a betting system to overcome these Machines

[FAA]

99% is paramount. The most accessible DW is 98.9%, so settle if you prefer DW. Avoid dollar play since it makes you jackpot dependent to break even. My worst losses come when I exceed $1,000 coin in. So I'm going easy this year.

[billryan]

[QUOTE=billryan]

More lies.
Never once claimed to be retired from the Army. Certainly never claimed the stock market was a bad investment.
How about putting your money where your fat, lying, ass is?
Simply find one post where I said either of those things? Just one.
I'd offer to leave forever if you'd do the same when you don't find them, but we have already seen how worthless your word is.
Is that cohesive enough for you? Just find a single post to back up your claims and I'm gone forever. What do you have to lose? Or you can keep spreading your pathetic lies and half truths, as usual.
Then again, I doubt even you believe your nonsense.



This is an awesome thread!

I'm curious though, billyryan raises a valid point here....where or what exactly prompted FloridaPhil to post about billyryan's alleged army career (or lack thereof), or where or what did billyryan say about the stock market to prompt FloridaPhil to state billyryan thinks stock investing sucks????   Where are these posts or quotes by billyryan??

My interest on this issue is obvious....in the past, on multiple occasions, several other pisters on this forum have made generalized, false and misleading statements about ME in the course of spewing their irrational (and futile) hostility towards me... I have always responded in the way billyryan essentially just did, by directly challenging the guilty parties to show precisely where their evidence is (typically I would say something like "I defy you to show me where, or show me the post, where I said such-and such...." etc etc). In every case, they just ignored my challenge and smugly revelled in their petty mean-spirited ignorance.

I'm neither a supporter or opposer of FloridaPhil, and while billyryan is on record as saying he is not a fan of mine (and has creatively told me on different occasions to go pound myself without actually telling me to "go pound myself" -- full disclosure-- that's my personal interpretation of his tone and meaning and intent....it is possible, however slight, that maybe he secretly admires me), I believe we need more adherence to accuracy and truthfulness with respect to what actually is and is not said on these pages. After all, it's the only real evidence and info we have vis-a-vis each other![/QUOTE]

   Those quotes do not exist. Except in phils fantasies.
I'm curious though. He obviously brings up my working as a bouncer as some sort of insult, and implies the same with my no longer playing big league Blackjack.
But why would he try to use my supposed retirement from the Army to besmirch me?
Just a sad, delusional, pathetic man.

[stevel96a1]

Bill you contribute nothing to this post nor website, people like Phil are discussing the mechanics of Video Poker, you can post your history , stats, and ground breaking stories, tell us your experience or you can back off. we here are attempting to take down the house through a process of gambling, betting and strategies, Phil seems to be the best man for this situation with all that said i am sure you understand...

[Jstark]

I have a feeling that that "unmentional" vp guy is here somewhere.

[FloridaPhil]

This is a video poker forum not "You Bet Your Life".   If that was before your time, Google it.  I could care less what Bill Ryan did in his life or what he does now.  His posts are so full of anger, no one can tell what he says.  I thought he was retired military because he acts like an Army Drill Sergeant.  If I was wrong, I apologize for my assumption. Playing negative VP games is much different than playing net positive games.    If you have read any of Bob Dancer's books, he talks about positive games being worth X dollars an hour.  When you play negative VP games the game is worth "minus" dollars an hour.    In other words "you are paying to play".  This makes limiting the amount of money you run through negative game machines more significant than playing the game with the best odds perfectly.    Math works backward on these games.  Tomorrow we will discuss some ways to limit your losses when playing these games and discuss a possible scenario where a negative VP game may become profitable.  If you think this is impossible, drop back later.So you know.  I have read Mr. Unmentionable's book from cover to cover at least three times.  He makes a few good points especially about human VP play being short term.  However, in my opinion most of what he says is pure fantasy.  His premise that you can catch back up when you are behind by betting bigger or by moving to a higher variance game is truly dangerous.   Mr. Unmentionable obviously has an axe to grind with math based VP experts.  I do not.