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[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=b74] The technology is there if someone wanted to manipulate it. I’ve lost the confidence that I one time had that it is all random. I just seen too much for my own eyes.

There is a valid reason why no one, including the self-professed VP experts, talk about string manipulation:
** because they don't have the intelligence to understand it and how it applies to VP today. Even if they did, they are not going to eliminate their sole income source (books, software, a rabbit foot)
So, yes, the "technology" is there, though I don't call it that, and yes, it is manipulated.

"Random" doesn't mean what folks think.

[/QUOTE]I just NOW saw this POST for the first time ..... I'd first and foremost like to say  WELL DONE DougJ, for having the chutzpah and awareness to post about this overlooked and ignored aspect of VP analysis!!    I heartily agree with everything you stated here......having said that let me implore you to do the following:Start discussing  STRING MANIPULATION.....I have a basic understanding of what it is and how it potentially applies here, but you are far more adept and qualified than I, I can just tell......still I can contribute and perhaps even clarify especially for those readers out there who are sincere in their motives and effort to honestly analyze Video POker today, but perhaps don't understand the language and application of what we are about to discuss.This could indeed be very interesting, if we make it so.....I'll kick it off (a little) by defining to the general reading public, just what in the hell "String" means or is, along with a very minor example of so-called "manipulation"....perhaps you could then take it up into the application of Video Poker:According to a number of Textbooks on the topic which I will summarize/paraphrase and try to render understandable to laymen, the definition of a "STRING" essentially  is a sequence of characters;  a string can be conceived as an aggregate of character data..... "string literal" is another way to express this concept, and depending on the actual computer LANGUAGE being used/compiled (like Java, C or C++) the expression of a string literal can appear or be displayed in several ways:Consider a string T equivalent (=) to "HackerEarth" ...... T is a "string literal" (as opposed to a string numeral for numbers).
String Manipulation is a type of equation or problem whereby a user is tasked with
processing a given string  to actually change its data (or value, equivalence, appearance, etc. etc.! Example..........Given string literal T S" role="presentation">of length N" role="presentation">L, take every character of the string by KK" role="presentation"> positions to the right, where K≤N" role="presentation">K≤L
If  T = "Hacker" and K=K=2" role="presentation">2. Here L=6N=6" role="presentation">.
Shifting each character in T by 2 positions to the right would result into "erhack" role="presentation">erHack"

[DaBurglar]

I'd just also like to point out, what DougJ stated is tryly the truth and why I am now so anxious to continue this investigation/discussion......most people (experts, enhtusiastic unrealistic dishonest gamblers, et al) are indeed too lazy, too ignorant or too arrogantly stubborn and/or greedy to delve into this topic and concede that what DougJ's premise, about the technology existing, is indeed TRUE and possible!Again, this is NOT my field of expertise but I am a informed and intelligent (and educated) amateur on the topic....intuitive understanding of various topics in science and mathematics is one of my strengths.I have long maintained that despite all the regulations and rules everyone else puts COMPLETER (and/or "blind") faith and Trust into with regards Casino Integrity in markets like Atlantic City, malfeasance and fraud and cheating and manipulation etc etc  IS POSSIBLE, even likely, over the course of extended time......this topic helps to show WHY this statement is valid.

[Eduardo]

Sorry, what statement are you saying is valid?Saying something is "possible" is not any sort of evidence that something is true.Can you show the evidence of whatever it is you are talking about?

[DaBurglar]

Sorry, what statement are you saying is valid?Saying something is "possible" is not any sort of evidence that something is true.Can you show the evidence of whatever it is you are talking about?

Its a valid statement that string manipulation is possible and that this can have impact on video poker results and play.    Many people, and I'm guessing you are one, just refuse to even consider that is possible in the real world that, despite all the so-called alleged "oversight", regulations and integrity that casinos or specific games in casinos can be messed with.....The argument that Casinos don't NEED to do this is absurd and irrelevant.   When discussing corruption, malfeasance, and illegal activity, logic and rationality become less certain, if not entirely useless. The banks and Wall street didn't NEED to tank the entire economy in 2008, they were already making Hundreds of Billions.....yet they ignored common sense, good ethical standards and even the law and did just that.   Likewise, take a Casino corporation suffocating under mountains of Unsustainable debt.....sure they could file bankruptcy but that's a Big, BAD deal FOR CASINOS (for anyone obviously) and in some states in which they have massive assets, the state will not look kindly on such an action.....therefore it is POSSIBLE that the HUMANs making the decisions COULD become so desperate to attempt things that rational people like yourself deem impossible.This discussion and exploration of string manipulation demonstrates "the possible"

[Eduardo]

Sure. Anything is possible. It's possible you are the one who scratched my car yesterday. It's possible YOU are responsible for the market crash. It's possible you actually work for the casinos are have created this thread as a diversion from a mistaken Taco Tuesday promotion that would bankrupt you if enough people found out.  But I'm not going to start throwing around accusations unless there is some sort of evidence.What is your evidence that "string manipulation" has ANYTHING to do with video poker? I did a google search and the only thing that comes up is this thread. Apparently this author is the first person in history to come up with this theory.  And google is pretty big.Here's something for you to google:  Hitchens's razor.

[New2vp]

Sure. Anything is possible. It's possible you are the one who scratched my car yesterday. It's possible YOU are responsible for the market crash. It's possible you actually work for the casinos are have created this thread as a diversion from a mistaken Taco Tuesday promotion that would bankrupt you if enough people found out.  But I'm not going to start throwing around accusations unless there is some sort of evidence.What is your evidence that "string manipulation" has ANYTHING to do with video poker? I did a google search and the only thing that comes up is this thread. Apparently this author is the first person in history to come up with this theory.  And google is pretty big.Here's something for you to google:  Hitchens's razor.

Excellent, Eduardo. I often admired Christopher Hitchens and his insightful, abrasive style of arguments and often learned things from his comments if not always agreeing with him. I was saddened when he died that we had lost an innovative thinker. I will say that I never before had heard of the maxim ascribed to him ... and I won't spoil it for others who have not looked up the term by commenting further. Actually there seemed to be a bit of Hitchens's style in your argument construction.

On the other hand, I have heard of string variables and their "manipulation" (if that's what you want to call programming with letters and other characters) for over 45 years now ... and I would say that for anyone who ever programmed in BASIC or FORTRAN or now many other languages*, "It ain't string theory."

P.S. psst ... you can even do it with Excel!

[DougJ]

Sure. Anything is possible . ..What is your evidence that "string manipulation" has ANYTHING to do with video poker? I did a google search and the only thing that comes up is this thread. Apparently this author is the first person in history to come up with this theory.  . .



String theory/string manipulation is not new AND it has previously been linked with video poker, even ON THIS FORUM years ago (before I joined this forum).
So, thanks Eduardo, for attributing this to me as the "first person in history".

Perhaps Google is only as good as the person using it to search?



I've mentioned string manipulation before, and some other poster provided the link to the other thread ON THIS FORUM that someone else started on this very topic.
Perhaps you can search for it here, Eduardo.

DB: many posters have noted a change in VP. Folks can believe whatever makes them happy.

[billryan]

   I'm amazed that people play negative games, get negative results and then create a virtual boogie man to blame their losses on.
Speaking for myself, anyone who truly thinks casinos are screwing with their results, but plays anyway is a fool.

[Jstark]

    I'm amazed that people play negative games, get negative results and then create a virtual boogie man to blame their losses on.
Speaking for myself, anyone who truly thinks casinos are screwing with their results, but plays anyway is a fool.
I whole heartedly agree.

[Tedlark]

Nah billr you're speaking for me too. Oh the RNG is being manipulated; they've got the machine's door open, its OBVIOUS that they are jacking around with the machine; look, two casino workers are whispering to each other next to that machine, did they just rig it to not draw that 4th ace?; this bathroom attendant told me all about HOW the casino manipulates the games against the player; string manipulation in programming is being used to put a pattern to the RNG so that it isn't random, video poker is rigged. Then - Hey; what time are we going to the casino? I got some extra money because I sold some extension cords I bought from Taiwan on ebay today.