"IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S RIGGED, WHY PLAY?"

[billryan]

thats right be king of the quarters! lol if i saw someone lose 4,000 credits played exactly how i would play (little to no mistakes) id feel a bit more confident siting down seeing how i either exntended my bankroll or my standing time in casino i could be wrong but thats how i do iti dont know how to explain it feels like i avoided a pit trap in the realm of gambling if i saw someone dump a ton of coins in one machine and got nada back




When you see someone winning ,does that make you less confident since then casino just paid off on a machine.
When you've played 42,000 hands on a machine without a Royal, are you reluctant to leave since it is now due?

I was at the Hard Rock the other day, and someone was playing my favorite old time Triple Diamond Deluxe game. It's a two coin quarter machine that I just like to play $20 on occasion. I was playing VP nearby when I saw him leave. He was cursing his GF saying that he'd sunk so much money in, that it was due. I cashed out from my machine for a bit under $300 and then realized all I had on me were hundreds so I simply deposited the slip. Ten minutes of a break even game and I have some 1178 credits on the machine. Suddenly I hear a howl behind me and its the guy who had been playing earlier. He sees my credits and goes into a long spiel about how I won
because he had primed the machine for me. I thought he was going to ask me for money but instead he kept *****in to his GF about how she should have lent him more money.

[stevel96a1]

That was not me lol. But thats his fault for leaving the machine i guess gambling is a certain percentage mental/belief

[FAA]

Hilarious story! I've done okay of late on machines that had $400 plus cash out numbers, which I once shunned. Best not to belabor that. If I ever saw a RF sum, I'd back off.

[Tedlark]

When the guy saw bill's credits he didn't know that it was ALL bill's money and not won money. The guy never should have come back to the machine if he was going to act like that, I've seen it before myself.

[DaBurglar]

When you see someone winning ,does that make you less confident since then casino just paid off on a machine.
When you've played 42,000 hands on a machine without a Royal, are you reluctant to leave since it is now due?

I was at the Hard Rock the other day, and someone was playing my favorite old time Triple Diamond Deluxe game. It's a two coin quarter machine that I just like to play $20 on occasion. I was playing VP nearby when I saw him leave. He was cursing his GF saying that he'd sunk so much money in, that it was due. I cashed out from my machine for a bit under $300 and then realized all I had on me were hundreds so I simply deposited the slip. Ten minutes of a break even game and I have some 1178 credits on the machine. Suddenly I hear a howl behind me and its the guy who had been playing earlier. He sees my credits and goes into a long spiel about how I won
because he had primed the machine for me. I thought he was going to ask me for money but instead he kept *****in to his GF about how she should have lent him more money.

Casinos are full of really dumb behavior by otherwise normal people....this guy (the howler) obviously believes in some other, esoteric, ephemeral aspect to gambling besides math, odds and timing...he must believe in some sort of casino fairy, that flutters about identifying people (like him) who have lost the requisite amount, or suffered enough, and now are "owed" some type of reward. It's idiotic....almost as bad as people who believe that they can win by being "a good person" and that will cause the machines they play to payoff. Who controls this good fortune?


I myself have no problem with anyone watching me do anything...and since I rarely start playing a game with less than 500 bucks buy-in, I have had my share of people come up and say "wow, what did you hit?!?!". I just laugh and say no no, that's my money.... it's a casino, good times and good fun should be the order, not obnoxious antisocial behavior.

[FAA]

I'd be asking, "Why are you still here?" But I don't disturb other players. Everyone has their own groove and routine. They deserve to be left in peace.

[asteroid]

My two cents. I have been playing VP in AC since 1993. I restrict my play to Borgata today as they generally have the best games and certainly the best atmosphere today. I have total faith in the older VP machines there as my results since the casino opened have been normal. The new server based Game Kings have one of my favorite games-9/5 Super Double Bonus which has a 99.69 % payback if played properly. However I have run very cold on these games at times, much more so than the older VP games. Not saying they are rigged, just my experience.

Here is a link regarding server based games: https://www.wizardofvegas.com/forum/gam ... post735978 . Basically, the central server generates a bunch of outcomes the aggregate of which is the overall house edge of the casino (which the slot manager determines:https://www.wizardofvegas.com/forum/gam ... post735968) and then one of the outcomes is randomly chosen and served to the customer if they are playing a server based machine (vp, slot, etc.). So then, in the case of a VP customer, he or she will get dealt a particular hand such that the possible cards drawn to it (0 to 5 cards) will result in a final hand that corresponds to one of the payback outcomes left in the drum. So, for example if most of the higher paying outcomes have already been taken out of the virtual urn/drum due to random chance - then the player is consigned to a randomly based outcome from amongst the lower paying stuff that is left in the drum until the drum is reset again with all of the outcomes (per fiscal quarter, per day or whatever the slot manager sets it at). From my own vp playing experience (at Indian casinos where this is legal or where there is no gaming control board oversight like in Nevada so that they oversee themselves) on these centrally served vp machines, this results in lower hand diversity than the localized chip machines (older machines where the chip in the machine determines the result rather than getting "served" a result from the virtual drum at the central server). Like in DDB where you get dealt high card offsuit pairs (AJ,AK,KJ) with much greater frequency than normal (like 1 in 3 instead of the normal 1 in 10 hands) if it happens that there are mostly lower outcomes left in the virtual drum for that cycle (day, fiscal quarter, and so on). Sometimes you get a server based machine with "no game comms" and so you will get your results from the local chip rather than getting served the result even though it is a newer machine which is capable of getting its results from the server. I'm with Carcounter, I like to stick with the old stuff.

This link https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D32NHK4WsAA4Rod.jpg shows that a product can be chosen by the casino manager which "boosts play at a specific time" if that is their objective (taken from https://twitter.com/ServerSlots321).
Anyhow, I would stick to playing older stuff that doesn't communicate with a central server, or jurisdictions like Nevada where this is illegal and where there is an established gaming control board that oversees the casino, rather than casinos which police themselves (like Indian casinos).

[onemoretry]

Admittedly, I haven't yet taken the time to read the links posted above, but I do know that I will likely continue to have a very difficult time buying into the concept that, in a supposedly random game, if Joe Blow over in the corner is having a great day, that will affect my results.

[billryan]

The first two links discuss Class 3 slots. Not slots found in most casinos.
Someone is confusing video lottery terminals with slot and video poker machines.

[asteroid]

Admittedly, I haven't yet taken the time to read the links posted above, but I do know that I will likely continue to have a very difficult time buying into the concept that, in a supposedly random game, if Joe Blow over in the corner is having a great day, that will affect my results.

According to this supposition, it is random, except that the choices are among the outcomes that remain in the virtual drum (be they high,middle or low on average). Atlantic City players and Indian casino players, have you guys noticed a drop in dealt hand diversity versus Nevada shops ? I've played a lot of vp in Nevada and in Indian casinos and it does seem different. Anyhow, I see no harm in playing older stuff (in Indian casinos), so that if I erred, I do so on the side of caution. I'd love to know how IGT products that "boost game play during certain periods", do so.

Bill what kind of slots are found in most casinos ? I thought Class III slots are found in most casinos.