Random? I don't think so.

[FloridaPhil]

I am not posting on this forum to encourage anyone to play VP for profit or for entertainment.  I wish everyone the best of both.    I want all ways of viewing the game to be represented equally.   There is only one way to play VP for maximum long term profit.  We have enough experts, books and videos on that subject. As a Recreational player, I want my money's worth.  To me, that means getting as much entertainment for my money as possible.  Entertainment can have many forms depending upon who is doing the talking.   If I hit 4 aces with kicker and win $100 playing single coin quarters, it makes me feel good.  If I was playing max coin dollars, would winning $2,000 make me feel better if I lost $3,000 the day before? There is much more to video poker than math.  It's an exciting pastime that has given my wife and I many years of great experiences.  The memories we have made in our travels have made it worthwhile.  Playing video poker doesn't need to be expensive or wasteful.   Lower your expectations, play small enough so your losses don't matter and let what happens happen.  It is much better to walk out a small loser than win big and lose it twice the next day.

[markinca]

It's become emotionally draining once I exceed $100 coin in. Suddenly I have lost myself in another Casino Warfare Weekend. I squeezed just enough profit to replenish my account. But in the summer, the equation changes. I can have more fun at home, so I prefer more than my meager 4% return on the weekend.

Do you mean $100 down? Or did you really mean $100 coin in? Because $100 coin in is nothing - even for a single-line max quarter player, that's like, what, 10 minutes?

[FAA]

The former, certainly, but either. On a dollar ice box machine, I get slammed just on $100 coin in and you're talking the equivalent. Working on the "refund" gets stressful.

[case]

Did you ever consider that people who play with an edge actually might enjoy the game and call it entertainment as well?

So they enjoy what they do and might even make a few dollars to add to their enjoyment.

What Phil fails to grasp is most advantage players are not playing to make a living but rather they enjoy the game and stand to profit as well.

When I go to Vegas and come home even I am satisfied. I had a great time and it did not cost me any money. If I lose I can still say I enjoyed myself and had a good chance to make a few dollars. If I win a lot then I beat the game and again had a great time.

I play mostly positive games in Vegas but I play because I love the game.....period.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=case]What Phil fails to grasp is most advantage players are not playing to
make a living but rather they enjoy the game and stand to profit as
well.
[/quote]When I go to Vegas, I stay free at Red Rock where I can play 100% games all day long.   Do I win more at Red Rock?  NO!   Within the 4-5 day period that I play there, playing positive games doesn't guarantee wins anymore than the 97% games I play at home, I just play longer with the same money.   I have never won a drawing either.  If you can play VP and win long term, I congratulate you on your accomplishment.  You are by far the exception, not the rule.When I make my weekly trip to Tampa, I enjoy the drive over and back.  I intentionally drive on back country roads so I can see something other than a bus in front of me.   I like watching people enjoy themselves, the sound of the casino itself and I like playing the games no matter what the odds.  I could care less about the odds as I know anything can happen on any given day.Talking about single quarter play is boring.  Most players go to casino with dreams of hitting it big.   Their dreams are bigger than $62.50 royals and $100 quad aces. After you have played VP as long as I have, you get over your dreams and learn to enjoy playing VP as an experience.  I lost count of royals a long time ago.  I've had $14,000 wins in one day.  I've seen more $4.000 royals than I can remember.  After all that VP, I am not ahead in my lifetime.  Through it all I have had my ups and downs.   I know what it's like to give back twice $14,000 and wonder why I was so stupid.  I learned from my mistakes and play quarters so that doesn't happen again.  If you win playing $5 a coin, do so, but keep it to yourself.  You don't have to tempt others who may not have your resources.  When I got to this forum, players like me where told we are paying someone else's bills.   The fact is we are all doing this every day.  I own a lot of energy stock.   When you pull into a Chevron station and buy gas you are paying my bills.  Does this make you a fool for buying my gas?The VP strategy you use depends upon the pay schedule and what you are trying to accomplish.   People are diverse and so are our VP opportunities, skills and expectations.   God
built us all to be unique in our own way and we should respect that.

[markinca]

After case made his post, I was eagerly awaiting the inevitable Phil reply where he would go off on some random tangent and address nothing in case's post.

He certainly didn't disappoint!

[quote=FloridaPhil]
When I got to this forum, players like me where told we are paying someone else's bills.   The fact is we are all doing this every day. I own a lot of energy stock.   When you pull into a Chevron station and buy gas you are paying my bills. Does this make you a fool for buying my gas?
[/quote]

I mean... wtf? what does this have anything to do with anything? Part of me thinks Phil doesn't actually read any of the posts on this site. He just randomly quotes a post without reading it, then spews his usual gibberish.

[Vman96]

After case made his post, I was eagerly awaiting the inevitable Phil reply where he would go off on some random tangent and address nothing in case's post.

He certainly didn't disappoint!

[quote=FloridaPhil]
When I got to this forum, players like me where told we are paying someone else's bills.   The fact is we are all doing this every day. I own a lot of energy stock.   When you pull into a Chevron station and buy gas you are paying my bills. Does this make you a fool for buying my gas?


I mean... wtf? what does this have anything to do with anything? Part of me thinks Phil doesn't actually read any of the posts on this site. He just randomly quotes a post without reading it, then spews his usual gibberish.[/QUOTE]

It makes himself look good because he owns stock in Chevron. Honestly he seems so concerned about money, I don't get why he just doesn't play with the stock market all day.

[FloridaPhil]

I think my Chevron analogy is accurate.  How do you think it makes a small time VP player on this forum feel when an AP thanks them for paying his bills?  How would you like to be called unintelligent just because you don't have positive games to play?   When I see a post describing how $5 VP is profitable and quarter VP is not, it makes me believe the poster is working to get people to bet bigger.  Why does he care?  Could it be the casinos want to fill those empty chairs in the high limit room?Gaming stocks are on the rebound in 2018.  Why is this happening if players have can beat the casinos by buying a book?   Advantage play strategy works in a computer lab.  Of that there is no doubt.  In a real casino with human players, not so much.   According to the majority of reports, it's real world track record is not that impressive.   If it actually worked as promised, you would never see another positive VP game.  The casinos are not in the business of funding anyone's "nice lifestyle".  It's the casino manager's fear that has been driving down the odds, not the actual results.  The casinos have nothing to worry about.  As long as players believe there is a strategy that can beat the game,  the casinos will do just fine.

[markinca]

I think my Chevron analogy is accurate. 



Again, Phil, you're not reading what I'm saying. I never said that what you said was not accurate. I was asking what that analogy had anything to do with what case said in his original reply.

You just constantly write out these nonsensical, longwinded replies that have absolutely zero to do with anything anyone said. It's astounding, really.

[Eduardo]

It makes sense to me. Phil says I'm paying his bills by going to Chevron. So:1) I could simply say," Wow... that's great that you own stock in Chevron. Their gas is good, so I'll keep going there." 2) Or, I could go on a many thousand posts insecure tirade about gas companies and Phil's investment in them and how he is somehow calling me an idiot for purchasing gas instead of stock, whereas I'm just buying gas so I can drive but he is obviously invested in the gas company and investing is great but if I just want to buy gas that should be up to me and why do people care where I choose to buy my gas and why is Phil talking about gas and specifically Chevron well of course he has an agenda because he owns STOCK in the company and oh yes, I do need gas so I'm going to buy some stop judging me some people buy stock and that's great for them but they could make much more money investing in technology lately and I'm low on gas now so pardon me if I dare to fill up my tank which is much more practical than purchasing stock and don't even get me started on FEES when purchasing stock and by the way the meters are rigged at Gas Station X so don't go there but I'm more of a recreational gasser than a pro and why would anyone post about the benefits of Premium Unleaded it sounds like they are encouraging people to buy Premium even if their manual says to use Regular they should have put that disclaimer and doesn't he know how many people are harmed EVERY DAY by the gas companies through pollution and drilling but he doesn't mention this! Yes, option 2 seems like the more sensible approach.