I play everyday

[billryan]

Yes, the free rooms, steak dinners ,shows and cruises get a bit monotonous after awhile. I had to but a second tuxedo or risk wearing the first one out.

[BobDancer]

Why is FP allowed on this forum? He has the Recreational Forum to spread his nonsense.

[Tedlark]

Phil does believe in a strategy - to drive us nuts. He recently posted that he will occasionally(?) post things in the forums just to see what kind of a rise he can get out of people. What kind of person would do this?

For the record, I do not dislike Phil the person. I dislike his continued swipes at Bob D and I think this behavior is rooted in jealousy for the man. I dislike his feeling that he needs to be the torchbearer to those who he feels "do not understand" that players will not always win when playing casino games. I dislike his continued re-posting of the same old rhetoric and dialogue. I dislike his continued re-hashing of the time he hit 56 royals (or whatever the number was) in a day, like 22 years ago.

Other than that: I think he's a heck of a fisherman who continues to drop his baited hook into these forum waters hoping to hook something.

[FAA]

What a forum! We can avail ourselves of everything from Dealing in the Desert to Comatose in KC. Please get help for the everyday (sometimes twice) vice. If you don't control it, it controls you. Yeah, you're on the bad part of the standard deviation parabola. It happens.

[Tedlark]

Yeah but sometimes finding the vertex of Phil's parabola is more of a challenge than drawing to an inside straight.

[case]

Which behavior is worse?
Playing a negative game thinking you can beat it, or playing it knowing you can't?

I don't know. Are they any better than playing a positive game thinking you can beat it? The only people who win long term in a casino are the owners and those who sell dreams of beating the casino. Which one are you?

The best way to beat the casino is to not go in.

You have said many times positive games can't be beat. You said in the above post that was taken right out of this thread. Then in another post later in this thread you said you deny ever having said it. I really believe you are a troll.

[case]

[quote="advantage playe" post_id=121887 time=1551989865 user_id=5821

I am not saying no one can ever beat the casino long term. I am saying the odds are extremely unlikely even if you have everything that Bob Dancer has. It takes a lot of luck to beat the casino long term. If he would state that fact, he would have nothing else to acknowledge.

That is your quote in this thread where you say just the opposite

[FloridaPhil]

Why is FP allowed on this forum? He has the Recreational Forum to spread his nonsense.

Having a Strategy Forum does not mean opposing views are disallowed. If that was the case, there would never be any negative comments on the Recreational Forum.

To save time and typing, I will state my opposing view as short and as concise as I can.

Advantage Play strategy, as I applies to the game of video poker, gives a human player the best chance of receiving a game's optimal return. Excluding comps and incentives, if the game is 101% and you make computer generated hand plays 100% accurately, you have the best chance of making a long term profit. Some players will do a little better and some a little worse. This variance occurs due to the randomness of the RNG, the time limitations of the players and the actions of the human in front of the machine. If the player bets small, this variance is small. The bigger the bet, the more significant this variance becomes. Another word for this variance is "risk". I disagree with the claim that Advantage Play Strategy removes all risk. Gamblers are risk takers, not farmers harvesting a crop. Bad things happen to farmers too. If enough of them happen in a short period of time, they go out of business. The same thing applies to gamblers.

The claim Bob Dancer makes is that he lives a great lifestyle from playing VP alone. I have no way of knowing what he believes a great lifestyle is, but I know what it would mean to me. It would mean an annual profit of at least $200K. He also claims casinos allow him to remove this amount of money from their balance sheets without any ramifications. If this is true, they want him to. Intentionally or unintentionally, Bob Dancer is a marketing arm of the gaming industry. He is the reason I started to play video poker. He has brought thousands if not millions of other players into the game. He should acknowledge that conflict of interest.

My biggest disagreement has always been his promotion of playing big stakes video poker. If the math says you can't lose, why not mortgage your house or clean out your IRA? This is dangerous thinking. Others may say this doesn't happen or Bob's not responsible. I disagree.

That's about it. I agree with everything Bob has ever said about comps and incentives. They are the difference maker and have the ability to make up the variance in results I described above.

[billryan]

That's the default here. The idea isn't to empty your IRA, it's to grow it.

[Jstark]

The only people who win long term in a casino are the owners and those who sell dreams of beating the casino.

FP is absolutely wrong on this. There are a number of successful players. (To be sure, he's not one of them.) It's posts like this that should remove his right to post in the strategy section. He should be relegated over to the recreational section where his misinformation does less harm

I'm on the fence with this one. While Bob is 100% correct, the more people who decide not to become advantage players due to rhetoric like Phil's, is a benefit to those that are. Less competition in an already competitive endeavor.