RNG Questions

[stevel96a1]

After reading the Nevada law on RNG's,it appears that at deal 10 cards are selected at random. First 5 are displayed as the dealt hand and second five are held to replace any discards, #6 replacing first discard, #7 the second and similarly any other discards.
If anyone cares to check this Google Nevada law on RNG in video poker machines, found good article on this pretty close to top of list.
So much for question #1 but that one was really only curiosity thing.
Question #2 is really who verifies that the machine remains as required by law? Can the RNG even be tampered with? Who verifies ? Hopefully the wolf isn't counting the chickens.
As we all know play results is not helpful as an answer.
Will try another Google on some version of verification. Someone else who knows more about computers and info. searches please try if you have time. Right now my second Royal of the week is calling.

That is incorrect. For example, if what you say is correct, it is already determined that you hit the royal when you are dealt four on the deal and a throwaway.
The fifth card is constantly shuffling until you hit the button.

that may or may not be true like I mentioned previously with the program virtual box I am able to clone and save any video poker game on November 31st (android) and wolf VP (windows) and it played like a vhs tape or DVD every time but knowing this did not aid me in anyway

[billryan]

No, it is a fact. Software programs for home use may very well do things different but Nevada is very specific about how its licensed games operate. No one regulates or cares how a software program for entertainment value works. Most jurisdictions operate under similar rules as Vegas simply because Nevada is the biggest consumer of machines and I imagine manufacturers aren't interested in adapting their machines to fifty different standards.

[tech58]

After reading the Nevada law on RNG's,it appears that at deal 10 cards are selected at random. First 5 are displayed as the dealt hand and second five are held to replace any discards, #6 replacing first discard, #7 the second and similarly any other discards.
If anyone cares to check this Google Nevada law on RNG in video poker machines, found good article on this pretty close to top of list.
So much for question #1 but that one was really only curiosity thing.
Question #2 is really who verifies that the machine remains as required by law? Can the RNG even be tampered with? Who verifies ? Hopefully the wolf isn't counting the chickens.
As we all know play results is not helpful as an answer.
Will try another Google on some version of verification. Someone else who knows more about computers and info. searches please try if you have time. Right now my second Royal of the week is calling.

That is incorrect. For example, if what you say is correct, it is already determined that you hit the royal when you are dealt four on the deal and a throwaway.
The fifth card is constantly shuffling until you hit the button.

that may or may not be true like I mentioned previously with the program virtual box I am able to clone and save any video poker game on November 31st (android) and wolf VP (windows) and it played like a vhs tape or DVD every time but knowing this did not aid me in anyway

Reread the article and copied a quote as follows: for last 30 years or so VP machines use "a serial dealing method. this means that when the machine deals the five cards in the original hand it also selects five replacement cards (which cannot be viewed)that are stacked in a sequential manner."
More follows about how replacement but too long for my typing skills.
The article goes on to describe "another method of card dealing known as "five and five" in this case the replacement cards are not drawn until draw sequence" Please note that it describes "five and five" but does not mention it's use.

So what i quoted earlier was not incorrect but rather incomplete.
Anyone can read the article in Casino News Daily by doing that search i mentioned.

As it appears , both methods exist. Most of us play GameKings, maybe they would share with us poor "victims" there method? NOT!!

BTW that same search has a feed to an article i mentioned earlier about the GameKing glitch and the resulting sad tale. Fascinating read.
Lead in is something about taking Vegas about 6-8 down on the list. Will help if you can't find it.

[billryan]

Only one method exists in Nevada. I have no idea what articles you are quoting or how old they are but it sounds like they are outdated.

[tech58]

Only one method exists in Nevada. I have no idea what articles you are quoting or how old they are but it sounds like they are outdated.

THE ARTICLE I MENTIONED IS DATED 04/20/19 . IF YOU DO NOT CARE TO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND READ IT THEN YOU SHOULD SHUT THE F...K UP.
WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT IS TIRED OF THIS GUY READ THE ARTICLE AND CALL HIM ON IT. OR THIS FORUM SIMPLY SUCKS AND I AM DONE WITH THE IDIOTS GETTING AWAY WITH DRIVEL!!!!

Read it Webman before you pull any triggers please. I stated the truth of the article br's vitriol is simply what he does, can we have a little justice here?
The whole purpose of this thread has been to learn something about our game. I offered my best info. i asked for help and input i am willing to be corrected and informed and i got that from everyone but the habitual offender. Blowing this away with a LOCK simply kicks the can down the road.I expect better than that!! In fact i believe this group deserves better than that!!

[Tedlark]

Only one method exists in Nevada. I have no idea what articles you are quoting or how old they are but it sounds like they are outdated.

THE ARTICLE I MENTIONED IS DATED 04/20/19 . IF YOU DO NOT CARE TO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND READ IT THEN YOU SHOULD SHUT THE F...K UP.
WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT IS TIRED OF THIS GUY READ THE ARTICLE AND CALL HIM ON IT. OR THIS FORUM SIMPLY SUCKS AND I AM DONE WITH THE IDIOTS GETTING AWAY WITH DRIVEL!!!!

tech58, I believe the article you are referring to is ORIGINALLY dated March 25, 2015. The title of the article is: The Random Number Generator.

Here is a link to the article:

https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/video-p ... generator/

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE CURRENT DATE OF SUNDAY APRIL 21, 2019 IS CLEARLY VISIBLE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER OF THE PAGE SO I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CORRECT IN STATING THAT THE ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED ON SATURDAY APRIL 20, 2019. I DO NOT KNOW OR NOT IF I AM CALLING YOU OUT ON THIS BUT THERE IS THE ARTICLE.

[billryan]

Am I misreading the article or does it clearly state that machines made before 1980 sometimes used that system, which means no machines since then use it. Does anyone think there are forty year old video poker machines in Nevada casinos.

[Tedlark]

Am I misreading the article or does it clearly state that machines made before 1980 sometimes used that system, which means no machines since then use it. Does anyone think there are forty year old video poker machines in Nevada casinos.

What was the name of that joint where Ace Rothstein met Nicky Santoro at in the movie "Casino" after Nicky got placed in the Black Book? Lol.....

[stevel96a1]

Very simple solution get a time machine and hit the deal button draw your best cards record the results and jump in your time machine to the exact date and time and machine and see if we get different results unless igt aka gameking comes out with a windoes or android version i cant prove it

Also would have to hit the deal button on the tinniest second maybe 0.1 ?to be precise that would challenging too

[wildman49]

http://www.gamblers007.com/video-poker- ... bout-them/

The thing I can't understand is how can some gaming board (LV or Indian) have a way to see if the RNG is operating correctly? If there is a patent on the software is there really a way for a gaming board to test it?


From 2014 below, says years back was 5 and 5 now 47 card shuffle after deal, why the change? Is it harder to hit a good hand?
http://robison.casinocitytimes.com/arti ... deal-63572