winning machines

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clwn2
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Re: winning machines

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Ditto on the end machine preference.  I like end machines because they are the easiest to get in and out of.  Also, if I am playing in a strange environment and on a specific bank of machines, I will always use the end machines first.  I find it easier to work the ends first and the interior machines last since they are my second choice.  My preference obviously is not to play the same machine for long(unless it is paying of course) 
 
This brings up my theory on machines.  It may be true and it may be false but it seems to be consistent.  In casinos that I have frequented for years there just seems to be some machines that I can never hit on.  Why this is I don't know.  Sometimes it seems that my play does not tickle the fancy of the machines RNG? HAHA right...
 
Maybe a more likely reason is what was posted above by several of our senior members and which I concur with.  If the end machines are played more they will have had more theoretical cycles of all the hands up to and including the royal.  Thus they probably would be more likely to hit again.
 
I know that the RNG can spit out any hand at any time but the amount a machine has been played has got to have something to so with it?
       

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Post by EDC1977 »

 Theoretically so but if the dang thing is programmed to spit 1RF every 80k cycles, it could spit em out back to back. I remember getting a RF and then hitting quad 3's with kicker 2hands later so it sall up to Mr. RNG! 

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Post by Eduardo »

Funny.  I played mostly end machines too but on my last trip, all my hits happened to be at bartops or middle machines.  My wife's deuces came on an end machine though.

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Post by valden »

And when served a tray of lasagne you all want the middle.

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Post by EDC1977 »

  Purely coincidental and somewhat habitual. If you were to wander around the casino floor, find a paytable that seems feasible, you'd gander at the bank of slots and probably sit on one of the ends. For some strange reason, we don't naturally sit in the center first unlike the theater. Same machines, same denom, just gravity I guess 

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Post by Benford's Law »

A player's natural inclination to sit at the ends of a bank of machines makes sense to me, too.I know at Harrah's St. Louis, they have a bank of 12 machines...all machines with big, flashing signs advertising 99%+ payback.  Each machine has a different game (ie. 9/6 JoB, 9/7 DB, etc.).Interestingly, the "worst" of the machines (percentage-wise) are at the ends of the rows, with 9/7 DB (99.1%) and 9/6 DDB (98.98%) being seen there.  Sure, there's also a 99.6% Triple Double Bonus machine at the end too, but the variance is 90+ (!).The best machines are right in the centers of the row on either side:  9/5 TBP+ (99.8%) on one side while the low-variance 9/6 JoB is smack-dab in the middle on the other side.Seems like Harrah's already has this phenomenon of humans wanting to sit at the ends of a machine bank figured out.  Not surprising considering the decades of experience the company has had by watching millions of gamblers come and go through their doors....~Benford's Law

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Ditto on the end machine preference.  I like end machines because they are the easiest to get in and out of.  Also, if I am playing in a strange environment and on a specific bank of machines, I will always use the end machines first.  I find it easier to work the ends first and the interior machines last since they are my second choice.  My preference obviously is not to play the same machine for long(unless it is paying of course) 
 
This brings up my theory on machines.  It may be true and it may be false but it seems to be consistent.  In casinos that I have frequented for years there just seems to be some machines that I can never hit on.  Why this is I don't know.  Sometimes it seems that my play does not tickle the fancy of the machines RNG? HAHA right...
 
Maybe a more likely reason is what was posted above by several of our senior members and which I concur with.  If the end machines are played more they will have had more theoretical cycles of all the hands up to and including the royal.  Thus they probably would be more likely to hit again.
 
I know that the RNG can spit out any hand at any time but the amount a machine has been played has got to have something to so with it?Not at all.  Why wouldn't that logic tell you that it is more likely to not hit again? There are no cycles except the life of the machine. That's if the RNG is working properly.
       

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Post by shadowman »

Right you are. Every result has a specific probability of occuring on any hand. That does not change with use or lack of use or what results you had. We all like to think we are due, or a machine is due, but that is just not true.
 
Sometimes I think we focus too much on the random aspect of the game and forget about the requirement that every hand be "independent" of all others.
 
Consider my results last night at QQs. 18 cycles without a Quad or QQ. A little later after I broke out of the drought, I hit 3 QQs in 5 games (25 hands).

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Post by Nancy J. »

I let my woman's intuition guide me to the winning machine no matter where it's located.

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Post by EDC1977 »

I let my woman's intuition guide me to the winning machine no matter where it's located.
Nancy, It's still a random independant cycle regardless of gender or good luck charm.  

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