political odds and ends

[billryan]

The " king of Isreal"today declared he has the power to change the U.S. Constitution singlehandedly, while canceling meetings with Allies over their refusal to sell him part of their country.
He also found the time to between quotes from legendary anti-Semite Henry Ford.
Such a smooth stabilize genius. Especially when compared to his supporters.

[notes1]

to eduardo/rascal and all the other rep trump haters; you have every right to voice your opinion. i support this important freedom. while i do attempt to speak for that group, it seems most of the complaints are about trump's ego, tweets, personality, his general demeanor. i do not hear many arguments from conservative trump haters about his policies. remember, he has deported far less illegals than obama. so go ahead and let your displeasure be known. this is america.

but, i would suggest you consider the following. when was the last time you heard large numbers of dems voice their displeasure with any fellow liberals? where is the left when it comes to the 'squad's' anti isreal comments or proposed boycott of same country? where was the mass condemnation of hillary having a private server that was likely 'hacked' by china, russia and other countries that are unfriendly to the usa? have the dems ended their non stop investigations of trump, even after mueller results were disclosed? have the called out nadler to stop? where is the liberal outrage at ANTIFA? where is the dem condemning the killing of millions of the unborn? how about liberals questioning the policies of dem mayors that has lead to the medieval conditions in LA, SF, baltimore, detroit and elsewhere? where are the dems voicing their concerns about open borders, free healthcare for illegals, voting rights for prisoners, socialism and all the other absurd proposals by liberal potus candidates?

the dems do not criticize their own. they shut up and tow the line. if they don't, the other dems will go after them.

i am not suggesting reps keep their mouths shut, when they disagree. i am suggesting that sometimes, most times, we do not get all we want. the dems want to win, at all costs. they stick together like flies on shi$. sometimes it is better to get a percentage of what you want/believe in than being stuck with a large percentage of what you believe is dangerous.

[Carcounter]

I'm with you notes, but it seems as though the Country is more divided today than ever. Even us VP players, the finest people on earth can't agree. Where will this all end? Don't know, but I will forget all this stuff for a few hours today and enjoy the 15x at Borgata.

[Eduardo]

I hear you about results. And if he would just have stayed off twitter this whole time, we would probably be on the same page.

Is it worth it to give up policy based on some tweets? That's the question, and I admit it does sound absurd. And the answer lies in what those tweets actually reveal: That Trump is self-serving, not country-serving. That he's making it up as he goes along. That he is completely unreliable and changes his mind on hugely important issues based on his ego. That he is willing to lie openly. That he has not one ounce of humility. That he foments fear and division every bit as much as his liberal counterparts. And this brings us to the issue of genuine morality. Something conservatives have until now embraced. And I can't stress enough how damaging the embrace of Trump as a suitable LEADER has been to Christianity, conservatism, the things our children in this world see as right and wrong. We may be used to liberals compromising some of these values. I would indeed trade a lot of what he has accomplished to be rid of him in our top office. But unfortunately, that damage will be harder to undo than getting rid of Trump. Because him being gone won't undo the damage that his embrace has already done. What he reveals most of all is that we are not the great country many of us once thought. We are a divided mess and we need healing. The last person we need if we desire healing is Trump.

I'm not saying any of the dem candidates would be better in this regard. I don't buy the line that it's one or the other. To truly express our voices, we need to stand by what is right. My hope (as it was before) is that this is the year of a 3rd party. That's the only way we break free from the lesser of two evils.

[Carcounter]

Well maybe he will decide he's had enough and not run. I think Nikki Haley would make a fine president.

[Eduardo]

There is always the chance of him "declaring victory" and moving on, already having been the best President of all time in his eyes. Especially once he realizes the economy isn't going to be where he wants it a year from now.

It doesn't seem likely. This office suits his ego quite nicely. But if failure looks likely, then maybe that ego is what leads it to happen.

I won't get my hopes up for it. He is already campaigning in full force (okay, he never really stopped). And clearly he has enough support to make throwing in the towel a terrible idea. He will most likely stay the course. But then... trying to predict what Trump will do is pretty much impossible.

[rascal]

I hear you about results. And if he would just have stayed off twitter this whole time, we would probably be on the same page.

Is it worth it to give up policy based on some tweets? That's the question, and I admit it does sound absurd. And the answer lies in what those tweets actually reveal: That Trump is self-serving, not country-serving. That he's making it up as he goes along. That he is completely unreliable and changes his mind on hugely important issues based on his ego. That he is willing to lie openly. That he has not one ounce of humility. That he foments fear and division every bit as much as his liberal counterparts. And this brings us to the issue of genuine morality. Something conservatives have until now embraced. And I can't stress enough how damaging the embrace of Trump as a suitable LEADER has been to Christianity, conservatism, the things our children in this world see as right and wrong. We may be used to liberals compromising some of these values. I would indeed trade a lot of what he has accomplished to be rid of him in our top office. But unfortunately, that damage will be harder to undo than getting rid of Trump. Because him being gone won't undo the damage that his embrace has already done. What he reveals most of all is that we are not the great country many of us once thought. We are a divided mess and we need healing. The last person we need if we desire healing is Trump.

I'm not saying any of the dem candidates would be better in this regard. I don't buy the line that it's one or the other. To truly express our voices, we need to stand by what is right. My hope (as it was before) is that this is the year of a 3rd party. That's the only way we break free from the lesser of two evils.

This is one of the most logical and informed posts I have ever read on this forum. Like Eduardo, I would also be willing to sacrifice some of Trump's accomplishments simply to have him out of office, because I also think he sets a terrible example for the highest office in our land, an office where the holder should be respected and looked up to. In my long lifetime, I cannot think of any other president who enjoyed creating division, disharmony, and chaos as much as Trump does.

[notes1]

the concerns you both voice are sincere and there are many who agree. the reps nominated john mccain (a war hero to all, but trump) and romney (as religious and squeaky clean as one could get), and both lost. they ran against a community organizer (still don't know what that is), with a very questionable religious background (his pastor) and no history of every running/accomplishing anything.

they both lost, why? they were running not only against obama, but all the media, who were determined to elect and make successful, a black president. they lost because at least 90% of blacks, at least 70% of hispanics , nearly every gay person and the hard left core dems are going to vote dem, in every election. these are almost impossible odds for conservatives to overcome. and, as more needy illegals enter the country, and the dems will give them voting rights, it will become even harder for a conservative to win.

as far as creating division, the left has been doing that long before trump came along. they started identity politics, not trump. they are the ones who call ALL trump supporters racists, bigots and every other name in the book. they are the ones who harass reps in restaurants, at their homes, 'dox' rep donors, boycott conservative businesses, publish false stories about reps and fail to correct. don't tell me about trump causing division, he is just fighting back. it doesn't look presidential, but what he he supposed to do? just accept it and let the public believe all the fake news.

it is too late for any alternative to trump. and, there is no guarantee that nikki haley, or anyone else would not have something in their background that the dems and the media would exploit. the dems will vote en masse for their candidate.

he is a flawed individual, no doubt. he does not act like other presidents, no doubt. he is a street fighter, no doubt. he is self absorbed, loud mouth, publicity hound, but he gets results.

but, at this point, he is all we got. just remember, do you really want some 50 year old guy, who now thinks he is a woman, to be showering with your daughter, niece, grandchild. that is what turned it for me, when obama was in office and advocating that be allowed.

[Eduardo]

Fear. Every single argument in favor of Trump is based on fear.

You are honestly afraid that your daughter, niece, grandchild might end up showering with a transvestite?

Donald Trump would have GLADLY showered with your daughter, niece, grandchild. If she was good looking and of legal age, of course!

But I guess that's okay, because he isn't conflicted about his gender and transvestites are much creepier, right?

[notes1]

the fear is not a myth. google transgenders using female locker rooms and it pulls up dozens of cases, where transgender men are now using woman's facilities. and, in many cases, the 'real' women who complain are the ones being having their membership canceled. a group of high school girls protested when a male was allowed to use their bathrooms, because he identified as a female. many cases are in court.

this is not made up fear, this is reality. i guess it is ok with you, not me.

again, you are allowing your hatred of trump, to allow dems to take control and put in their myriad of socialist and socially liberal policies in place. don't complain in a couple of years.