political odds and ends

[Eduardo]

So you'd prefer to have the transgender guy in the shower with you and some little boys? I mean, let's face it. It's just an uncomfortable situation all around. And the fact that we are discussing it as a rationale to vote for Donald Trump is absurd. This is how fear (and Cable News) poisons our minds.

[notes1]

it gotten difficult to tell the difference between you and BR. maybe, there is no difference.

[tech58]

it gotten difficult to tell the difference between you and BR. maybe, there is no difference.

Of course there is no difference. Progressive libs have a common and well known affliction.
They are insecure non-self starters, they need big brother to control their lives. Look it up.

[Eduardo]

I can't think of anyone I disagree with more politically than BR. Liberalism is a slow road to disaster.

I don't despise Trump because he opposes liberals. I despise him because he is a terrible representative of the other side. If it is the more moral position (as I believe it is), there is no reason for HIM to be the leader of it. His character perverts the ideals.

It's like signing up a pedophile to run your preschool because he supports healthy snacks and you are a big proponent of healthy snacks. Sure, he's a threat... but look at all these fresh veggies! No thank you.

[notes1]

trump...pedophile? the things you say about him and the analogies you use are as offensive as anything he has said.

the pot calling the kettle black. it is the exact thing the dems do.

[Eduardo]

He's actually not far off, if we're being honest. You are just willing to look past his decrepit character that he has displayed his entire life because: 1) You're scared of the other side and 2) He has done some things you like. But I realize there is no convincing anyone these days. If you can't see through his blatant lies, what is the point? I think I'd better excuse myself from political conversation. I'm not sure how I let myself get drawn in. Thanks for telling your side. I do appreciate it even if things have gotten a little heated. Best wishes to you all. See you on the VP side of the forum.

[notes1]

you can choose to participate in any debate or not, this is america. as i have said repeatedly, i understand your feelings about trump, i just do not see a viable alternative. in regards to your point #1, i will answer by quoting BR, 'be afraid, be very afraid', of the other team. your damn right i am afraid of them. i listen to proposals made by dem leaders, including dem potus candidates and i cannot believe my ears. one of these nuts could be running my country.

i have always been a fiscal conservative, which is why i disagree with trump on the debt, but i was also a social moderate. i found it unfair that gays that had aids, were not allowed to have their partners visit in their hospital rooms, families only.

starting less than 20 years ago, i watched as the media teamed up with the dems and began their assault on BUSH. it was relentless. then, they switched gears and began to elevate obama to near sainthood status. then trump comes along and they switch gears again, back to relentless assaults on another republican. most recently, i watched the media/dems (one and the same) go after justice kavanaugh. they tried to destroy him and they are still trying.

the dems are smart, clever and nasty. they play hardball and they play to win only. get in their way and they will attempt to destroy you. so, i have learned my lesson from the dems. i will hold my nose, support a fighter who endorses policies i believe in,

i have enjoyed the debate, best of luck.

[New2vp]

I don't need a president to be a moral leader. I recognize that others will disagree with this. Unfortunately, there is no universally accepted "north direction" on a moral compass. And many tend to forgive indiscretions by those with whom they agree politically … up until the time that the behavior is subjectively too egregious. Certainly, it is also quite easy to moralize against those with whom they disagree politically. It is difficult to find a politician without flaws.

I just want a president who won't mismanage the country and screw it up. Come to think of it, that would be the same thing that I want from judges, legislative representatives and other executives that we select both at the federal and more local levels.

Unfortunately, there are few easy answers left for the public sector to solve. The easy policy decisions have all been made. Future policy decisions will always have costs, often hidden or longer term, that at least partially offset the benefits, which are generally more visible and shorter term. Predicting whether those costs actually outweigh the benefits is fraught with uncertainty regardless of what the often dueling "experts" prognosticate.

Other legislation is designed simply to require changes that allow some segment of the population to "feel" good, often at the expense of the feelings of another segment of the population. Here it is required to demonize one segment of the population as not being tolerant enough of the other's views, or as being morally deficient in some other manner.

In the field of science, we find that a large portion of published research is actually false, especially in the social sciences. Why would we expect that politicians, who have to attract voters to accomplish anything at all, would have a better track record than scientists with determining what is true?

Combine our imprecise analysis of truth with what we see on 24/7 "news" coverage (more often better described as subjective opining heavily sprinkled with the news shows' star's biases) and we get more personal attacks on government officials than informative enlightenment on the pluses and minuses of any particular proposed legislation or regulations.

Without identifying names, certainly I tend to favor the views of some here over others. But I can't recall that anything written here would cause me to change a future vote. Best of luck to anyone who thinks they can help the country by trying to convince others to change their views via discussions like these.

[Bobbi]

Trump IS the third party. Those that followed him since he took the escalator ride to make his big announcement know that the republican "never trumpers" wanted Cruz as their President. The reason why Trump was voted in is because he is not your typical corrupt politician. He didn't need the job so he could afford to buy a 15 million dollar home in Martha's vineyard. Had it not been for him, know one would know just how corrupt the Clintons are. He did not create the division and hate - it was already there hiding in plain site.

[seemoreroyals]

Trump IS the third party. Those that followed him since he took the escalator ride to make his big announcement know that the republican "never trumpers" wanted Cruz as their President. The reason why Trump was voted in is because he is not your typical corrupt politician. He didn't need the job so he could afford to buy a 15 million dollar home in Martha's vineyard. Had it not been for him, know one would know just how corrupt the Clintons are. He did not create the division and hate - it was already there hiding in plain site.

Well, It sounds like you drank the koolaid. The Chosen One is going to go down in history as the worst president ever.