"IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S RIGGED, WHY PLAY?"

[Gronbog]

Can anyone say with certainty that the RNG is open to manipulation by the casinos?
If that is the case, and nobody checks them, maybe the change in the flow of the game,which has been noticed by several players here, could possibly be a result of recent re-programming of machines.
VERY CONCERNING!!

Manipulating the RNG directly would be pointless. In order to do so effectively, the hacker would have to also know how the random numbers are used by the VP software to select the cards. For example, if the RNG is used to shuffle the cards, in order to produce a given reshuffled sequence, the hacker would have to know what the previous shuffled sequence of cards was.

[DougJ]

I don't know why the "person" is being called a "hacker."

(1) It's not a person, it's a computer program.

(2) No one is suggesting that the goal is "to produce a given reshuffled sequence." Nope

[Gronbog]

If the RNG were to be "manipulated by the casinos" as tech58 was asking about then

(1) This would be done by modifying the RNG software or hardware after it had been inspected by the relevant authorities. This modification would be illegal and, in my opinion, the person hired to do it would be a hacker.

(2) The purpose of modifying the RNG would be to alter the selection of cards drawn in some meaningful way, such as to lower the return of the game. In order to do so, the results of the RNG would have to be applied toward generating sequences of cards which would accomplish that.

My point is that manipulating the RNG alone would not be sufficient to achieve the goal of cheating the players. The manipulation must also take advantage of knowledge of how the random numbers are used by the VP software to generate the cards.

[asteroid]

If the RNG were to be "manipulated by the casinos" as tech58 was asking about then

(1) This would be done by modifying the RNG software or hardware after it had been inspected by the relevant authorities. This modification would be illegal and, in my opinion, the person hired to do it would be a hacker.

(2) The purpose of modifying the RNG would be to alter the selection of cards drawn in some meaningful way, such as to lower the return of the game. In order to do so, the results of the RNG would have to be applied toward generating sequences of cards which would accomplish that.

My point is that manipulating the RNG alone would not be sufficient to achieve the goal of cheating the players. The manipulation must also take advantage of knowledge of how the random numbers are used by the VP software to generate the cards.

A simple method would be to divide the uniform probability density function (takes on values from 0 to 1 with equal probability) into 52 even segments (53 for joker poker, 54 for double joker poker, etc.) . The segment from 0 to < 1/52 would be an Ace,1/52 to < 2/52 would be a deuce, etc. Same goes for the suit 0 to <.25 is club,.25 to <.50 is diamond, etc. . For a rigged game then you would widen the segments for certain cards and lower the segment for others (like in deuces wild the segment length for picking a deuce would be less than 1/52 units).

[DougJ]

. . . .
. . . . For a rigged game then you would widen the segments for certain cards and lower the segment for others (like in deuces wild the segment length for picking a deuce would be less than 1/52 units).

THIS.

However, I would not call this a "rigged" game.
But, I agree with the basic ideas you post here.

I don't suggest that the Nevada Gaming Board is complicit in some kind of a "hack" by casino techs AFTER a particular machine has been placed on the gaming floor and "inspected." NO. I simply maintain that STRINGS work with the RNG and casinos can pre-select the computer program from the games manufacturer, like IGT. The example by asteroid above is spot on.

It's not illegal because the RNG is still operating, but within the pre-programmed strings.

If folks disagree, I care not a whit. I go about my business, and you can, too. If posters have noticed something "different" about VP machines today, excellent!

Suffice to say, I revealed something about myself recently in another post about my education and professional background. The Lab has multiple "pillars" of research. . . .

[Eduardo]

It's a fun conspiracy theory, but my understanding is that class 3 regulations don't just specify that cards have to be selected "randomly" or "using an RNG." They need to operate randomly with equal probability given to all cards selected, as with a shuffled deck of actual cards.

A Class III video poker machine has a Random Number Generator (RNG) software program that randomly selects cards from a 52 virtual deck (assuming no wild cards). When you press the deal button, the RNG selects five cards at random, which is the initial five cards that you see on your screen. The RNG continues to shuffle the remaining 47-card deck until you decide which cards you want to hold. When you hit the draw button, the shuffling stops and the replacement cards are selected from the top of the shuffled 47-cards deck.

By law, each card has to have the same probability of being selected on the deal and draw; therefore, the probability of selecting any card is the same as it would be if you randomly drew cards from a freshly shuffled deck of cards.

Going by this here:
http://tamburin.casinocitytimes.com/art ... ines-61886

If you have a better source, I'm all ears.

[Vman96]

. . . .
. . . . For a rigged game then you would widen the segments for certain cards and lower the segment for others (like in deuces wild the segment length for picking a deuce would be less than 1/52 units).

THIS.

However, I would not call this a "rigged" game.
But, I agree with the basic ideas you post here.

Lol wow. That's absolutely Nevada's (and many other states) definition of "rigged" VP. If each card doesn't come out with the expected probability of a live poker deck (1 in 52 for games without jokers), then it's illegal in Nevada and most other jurisdictions.

[billryan]

If lowering the chances of getting an all important deuces isn't rigging a game, what is?

[DougJ]

I'm off to round up stray shopping carts in the Safeway parking lot.

#Lol wow.

[onemoretry]

I'm off to round up stray shopping carts in the Safeway parking lot.

Do you get a completely random selection, or is it rigged?