Something to Think About

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
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FloridaPhil
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Re: Something to Think About

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Carcounter wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:47 am
Thanks. Well we are all getting used to not gambling for a while, so we'll see where this goes.
I believe life in America is going to change significantly when this is over. Some for the better, some worse. I think families will spend more time together. Divorce filings will skyrocket too. When a marriage faces this kind of stress, some get stronger, many break up.

Casinos are going to have a very hard time at first. Personally, my wife and I can't wait to get out of the house. We may pack up and move to our summer home in Big Canoe. The Murphy casino is not far away.

The casinos won't change the odds unless there is more competition, which isn't likely. Offers of free play, free room stays and toaster ovens will fill our mailbox. Sooner or later we must all get back to some sort of life. I hope it's sooner. I predict businesses will be open by the end of this month with everyone wearing face masks.

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Good point Phil. If a face mask prevents a person from infecting someone else, that may be where we wind up.

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Gronbog wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:04 am
The increase in your score over the past week (1 winning session due to 2 jackpots) is extremely short term and almost entirely due to luck. If you keep up this experiment long enough, you will lose all of your credits, but I don't think you will keep it up that long.
Gronbog. On a serious note.

1. I am sure you will agree no one can predict what my score will be tomorrow or next week. Then why do you believe anyone can predict what it will be ten years from now?

2. If the more hands you play the greater the influence of the game's odds, does playing a negative game less help or hurt your results?

3. Can you please provide us with a numeric value for the number of hands it takes to reach "long term"?

Thanks

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:10 am
Tedlark wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:42 pm
Um, no; you have not answered all my questions as best you could. I am still awaiting an answer to my question: "Phil, what casino hospitality are players enjoying? At a fraction of the cost? Please be a tad more specific."
I will do my best.

During my life, I have had a multitude of leisure time activities. Fishing and boating have taken up most of my time. I have traveled all over the world in pursuit of game fish. I have fished in some places where few people have ever been. I have a USCG Captain's license. In my application, I documented over 3,500 hours behind the wheel of marine vessels from a 20' skiff to a 65' sport fishing yacht. I fished many tournaments and won my share. I can no longer fish or ride in a boat for longer than a few hours due to problems with my spine.

In my youth, I built and raced cars. I gave that up when I was burned in an accident back in the eighties. For a time, I was a competitive hand gun silhouette shooter. I also dabbled in model airplanes. I enjoy classic cars and have written about my TBird. My business interests consumed most of my thoughts during the day. My hobbies are a way to relax and escape from stress.

I first discovered casino gambling at a computer convention in Reo. I liked the excitement. I tried roulette and won $6,000 in one night. I gave it all back the next day. When I got older and my body aged, I couldn't race cars or ride up and down ocean waves. I had to give up bass fishing too. I started looking around for a hobby I could do that wouldn't be physically painful. I went back to a casino. A friend suggested video poker. He told me some people make money at the game. Like everything I do in life, I jumped in with both feet.

To answer your question specifically, there are many good things about playing video poker. I enjoy going with or meeting up with my friends. They are all about my age and we have much to talk about. We meet up every few hours and talk about our experience. My friends play slots as small as possible. I play video poker small because my money lasts longer. None of us goes to the casino expecting the make money. All we want is a pleasant atmosphere and a good time. The casino is a day's escape from the boredom of everyday life. I like puzzle games too. I play Candy Crush on my phone. My wife thinks I am addicted to the game and she may be right. I don't drink and I don't smoke, so I guess it could be worse.

There are some bad things about playing video poker. For me, the worst is losing money. I started out with nothing and worked hard all my life. When I lose money in a casino, I feel like I've been robbed and lied to. I was told the game was profitable, so why am I losing 9 out of 10 trips? I found out later that losing is part of winning. That fact doesn't make me feel any better.

When you hit your first $1,000 royal flush, it's exhilarating. One of the most exciting things I can remember was hitting my first $4,000 royal. That was the day I walked away with a $12,000 profit. Since that day back in 2008, I quit counting royals. My computer is full of royal photos. The problem is always the same, it costs more to hit one than you win. When you hate losing as much as I do, you start to look for a way out. I eventually learned to have fun while playing smaller.

I can afford to play $5 games. Aside from my losses, my biggest expense would be psychotherapy. There is a couple who used to play at the Hollywood Hard Rock when they still had 9/6 Jacks. We often sat next to them when we played. They played triple play dollars all day. I would occasionally ask them how they were doing. Most of the time, they were down many tens of thousands of dollars. I am sure they got a better parking place than we did and their lunch service was better. I imagine they had offers from casinos all over the country, were picked up and driven around in limos and went to free shows. The casino could give me a new Mercedes each year and I wouldn't suffer through those losses. I don't know if they were long term winners and I didn't care.

To me the casino is just like any other entertainment choice. I can go to a movie and eat dinner for the same money it costs me play single coin quarters all day. Do I miss hitting a big jackpot? Occasionally I do. To quench that thirst, I save out a few dollars at the end of the day for the dollar machines. This has worked out better than I expected.

Perhaps you can see how someone could enjoy a casino without taking big risks? It works for me and my friends.
Phil, for the love of all things sacred, you do realize that you didn't answer my question at all in your novella?

What? What does holding a USCG Captain's license have to do with casino hospitality? Will the casino let you captain the casino out of the harbor for a 3 hour tour? You talk of playing cheap but you then bring up a couple who played triple play dollars all day long.

Am I phrasing the question in a manner that you do not comprehend? Please let me know in the least wordy way you can and I will rephrase.

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Well worth the novella read for the phrase END OF DAY. Do not get sucked into the madness until it’s time to leave town, and then just for the 2-3 minutes it takes to crank out those hands. Keep hammering home the message. I need the reinforcement.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:31 am
Gronbog wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:04 am
The increase in your score over the past week (1 winning session due to 2 jackpots) is extremely short term and almost entirely due to luck. If you keep up this experiment long enough, you will lose all of your credits, but I don't think you will keep it up that long.
Gronbog. On a serious note.
My previous reply was serious.
FloridaPhil wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:31 am
1. I am sure you will agree no one can predict what my score will be tomorrow or next week. Then why do you believe anyone can predict what it will be ten years from now?
You answered this in your next question. I'll underline the answer.
FloridaPhil wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:31 am
2. If the more hands you play the greater the influence of the game's odds, does playing a negative game less help or hurt your results?
If by playing less, you mean to lower coin-in, then your results will be better, because you will lose less.
This is getting repetitive (again). Why do I feel like I'm being trolled?
FloridaPhil wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:31 am
3. Can you please provide us with a numeric value for the number of hands it takes to reach "long term"?
Oh, it's because I am being trolled. You've got to be kidding. I can answer that question again, or I can just say N0. :wacko:

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Best of luck to you Gronbog.

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I sincerely believe we have moved from the realm of fact into the realm of faith. Gronbog, who I respect as a mathematician, is saying there is a number of hands we can play where our results are determined before we play the game. He can't provide that number. I wish he would so we could quit playing just before we reach it. I am not trolling him. I am pointing out how silly that idea is.

Ted, on the other hand, is trying to bait me into saying something that will have me thrown off the forum again. At one time, Bill Ryan was the forum strategy enforcer. He's gone, so Ted has taken his place.

Many millions of dollars each year are being made by casinos from players who believe they can beat them. Most players know better, they just want to be entertained for a few hours. If you are going to pay for entertainment, choose the price you are going to pay by the value you receive. I can play video poker all day for $100 or less. My friends who play golf tell me the way I play VP is cheaper than golf and golf never lets them win their green fees back.

Never start believing there is a mathematically proven way for you to beat a casino playing video poker. This is exactly what the casinos want. Coin-in is the number one factor in how much you will pay to play. The higher the amount, the more you will pay.

Faith is a powerful force. The high priests of gambling don't care about you. No casino is going to tell you to play smaller to limit your losses. I will because I don't have a dog in that fight. You don't have to play single coin quarters. Play any denomination you like, but don't be fooled into thinking the game owes you a jackpot now or when you reach Gronbog's secret number of hands.

So you know, I am not angry with Gronbog or Ted. They both seem like intelligent successful people. I disagree with their gambling advice, but that doesn't mean I hate them or wish them harm. I believe this discussion is worth having. It affects everyone who plays our game.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:49 am
Gronbog, who I respect as a mathematician, is saying there is a number of hands we can play where our results are determined before we play the game. He can't provide that number. I wish he would so we could quit playing just before we reach it. I am not trolling him. I am pointing out how silly that idea is.
It's not silly at all. In his March 29 post in another thread, he, in fact, outlined in detail how he calculates that number. Do you need directions on how to find that post?

Why is silly is your constant weaving and bobbing to avoid answering direct questions put to you, and your tendency to skew the statements of other posters to fit your agenda.

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Post by FloridaPhil »

4/8/2020 Session One

Starting Credits - 45,263
Ending Credits - 44,763

Yesterday's 4,300 credit score held up and I had yesterday's high score. This morning's session yielded one straight flush and no quads. I invite all forum members to come and join the fun. While the casinos are closed and you have nothing else to do, show off your skills. Be advised, your results will depend upon lure luck, just like in a real casino. :lol:

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