TRUMP SUPPORTERS ONLY...others don't read

[billryan]

I don't want to get into this too deeply, but I do want to say that it seems to me that many so-called "anti- racist" programmes are, in fact, racist themselves. They are, for want of a better term, "reverse racist".

This common viewpoint and statement is almost always made by privileged white people who disapprove of the programs and laws and regulations that are intended to address the very real and persistent issues of racism in American society. It's an example of simply not understanding the inherent issue of lack of fairness and equality. A recent manifestation of this is when white groups shout ALL LIVES MATTER as a type of counterattack to people who promote Black Lives Matter. Its not an equivalency, its not the same issue or dynamic.

In 2000 and 2010, while working for the US Census, I had to take a three or four hour course on racial sensitivity. I don't recall all that much of it but remember that the 2010 one was more politically correct.
In the 2000 one, it was taught by someone I was friendly with, and a day or so later we were out having cocktails after work. I asked her if I, as a white man, should be referred to as a person of non-color or as a non-person of color? She almost spit up her drink laughing.
As I said, I don't recall much of the training but I remember the first one was thought provoking.
As I would be sending my mostly white and female crew into two of the worst projects in the NYC, I thought some situational awareness might have been a more effective use of training money but one thing the Census stressed was everyone nationwide received the same training and followed the same procedures.

[Chicagoan]

Twist and spin mix in a lie or two and you get another br post
Most distortions are as obvious as ..."use it against American citizens..". Using the National Guard to restore order is nothing like you infer.
President Trump has 90% voting from current and ex-military. Which makes your post evidence only of your blind hatred.

I dispute the 90% figure that Tech58 wrote about. I am retired military, command rank, and I still maintain very close ties to my branch of service and also I am involved in 2 well known veterans organizations. Among active, reserve, and retired officers there are many who ridicule the president (privately) as "Cadet Bone Spurs." Among enlisted, the demographics and the political views of the United States military are such that Trump would be very fortunate to have even 40% if that (from enlisted ranks.) I do not know for a fact that the president asked why someone would want to serve, but if he did and if it can be conclusively proven, I will bet that his military support would drop to the teens or even lower. I have a huge problem with someone questioning the HONOR and motivations of those who did serve/are serving. I also have a huge problem with someone who did not want to serve coming up with something so obviously phony and ridiculous as bone spurs.

[billryan]

I'm going to guess that John Kelly is either the original source or is the former Administration Senior member who has confirmed this to various news outfits. If I'm correct and he goes public, trump might as well quit now.
trump claims it was some of the worst weather anyone ever saw that day, and yet the rest of the Leaders somehow made it there.He also claims he called the White House and told his wife how disappointed he was that weather kept him away. The problem with that is she was actually on the trip so that statement can't possibly be correct. Not that any of this will matter to his base.

[billryan]

Twist and spin mix in a lie or two and you get another br post
Most distortions are as obvious as ..."use it against American citizens..". Using the National Guard to restore order is nothing like you infer.
President Trump has 90% voting from current and ex-military. Which makes your post evidence only of your blind hatred.

I dispute the 90% figure that Tech58 wrote about. I am retired military, command rank, and I still maintain very close ties to my branch of service and also I am involved in 2 well known veterans organizations. Among active, reserve, and retired officers there are many who ridicule the president (privately) as "Cadet Bone Spurs." Among enlisted, the demographics and the political views of the United States military are such that Trump would be very fortunate to have even 40% if that (from enlisted ranks.) I do not know for a fact that the president asked why someone would want to serve, but if he did and if it can be conclusively proven, I will bet that his military support would drop to the teens or even lower. I have a huge problem with someone questioning the HONOR and motivations of those who did serve/are serving. I also have a huge problem with someone who did not want to serve coming up with something so obviously phony and ridiculous as bone spurs.

I agree with everything you wrote, but have a question.
When you say conclusively proven, do you need it to be on tape or if someone like General Kelly or General Mattis were to say he heard it would that be good enough. I know some people here could watch a video of it and would claim Hilary and George Soros doctored it over pizza while abusing little kids.

[billryan]

Twist and spin mix in a lie or two and you get another br post
Most distortions are as obvious as ..."use it against American citizens..". Using the National Guard to restore order is nothing like you infer.
President Trump has 90% voting from current and ex-military. Which makes your post evidence only of your blind hatred.

I dispute the 90% figure that Tech58 wrote about. I am retired military, command rank, and I still maintain very close ties to my branch of service and also I am involved in 2 well known veterans organizations. Among active, reserve, and retired officers there are many who ridicule the president (privately) as "Cadet Bone Spurs." Among enlisted, the demographics and the political views of the United States military are such that Trump would be very fortunate to have even 40% if that (from enlisted ranks.) I do not know for a fact that the president asked why someone would want to serve, but if he did and if it can be conclusively proven, I will bet that his military support would drop to the teens or even lower. I have a huge problem with someone questioning the HONOR and motivations of those who did serve/are serving. I also have a huge problem with someone who did not want to serve coming up with something so obviously phony and ridiculous as bone spurs.

I agree with everything you wrote, but have a question.
When you say conclusively proven, do you need it to be on tape or if someone like General Kelly or General Mattis were to say he heard it would that be good enough. I know some people here could watch a video of it and would claim Hilary and George Soros doctored it over pizza while abusing little kids.
I have very mixed feelings about those who avoided service in Vietnam. I have more respect for those who left the country or even went to jail than the ones who stayed in school forever or got phony deferments.
My Dad spent thirty years in the Military, as a Marine in WW2 and then joining the Army after the war as he'd dropped out of school to enlist and with all the men coming home, jobs were impossible to get.
He did three tours in Vietnam and when he returned in 1971, he'd turned against the war. He felt there was no longer any legitimate reason for Americans boys to fight and die over there. He finished his career behind a desk in what was then called data processing.

[olds442jetaway]

BR As we all know it is such a small world. We already have a bunch of family things in common even if politics is not one of them. Wouldn’t it be something if my father-in-law knew your dad in World War II. My father-in-law was a marine ScoutAnd in all of the major theaters where we fought the Japanese. I know I have posted before various stories about him. He was wounded several times but always went back to fight with his buddies. If he had to he would bribe the doctors with a bottle of scotch. He turned down the congressional because he said the ones that aren’t here to except it deserve it and he reluctantly took the silver star. He is written about in some of the books about Guadalcanal. His nickname was Irish. I guess the odds are small that they knew each other during the war but you never know.

[Carcounter]

I don't want to get into this too deeply, but I do want to say that it seems to me that many so-called "anti- racist" programmes are, in fact, racist themselves. They are, for want of a better term, "reverse racist".

This common viewpoint and statement is almost always made by privileged white people who disapprove of the programs and laws and regulations that are intended to address the very real and persistent issues of racism in American society. It's an example of simply not understanding the inherent issue of lack of fairness and equality. A recent manifestation of this is when white groups shout ALL LIVES MATTER as a type of counterattack to people who promote Black Lives Matter. Its not an equivalency, its not the same issue or dynamic.

In 2000 and 2010, while working for the US Census, I had to take a three or four hour course on racial sensitivity. I don't recall all that much of it but remember that the 2010 one was more politically correct.
In the 2000 one, it was taught by someone I was friendly with, and a day or so later we were out having cocktails after work. I asked her if I, as a white man, should be referred to as a person of non-color or as a non-person of color? She almost spit up her drink laughing.
As I said, I don't recall much of the training but I remember the first one was thought provoking.
As I would be sending my mostly white and female crew into two of the worst projects in the NYC, I thought some situational awareness might have been a more effective use of training money but one thing the Census stressed was everyone nationwide received the same training and followed the same procedures.

As a "privileged" white kid who grew up in the projects in Queens NY, I got my ass kicked so many times by black kids calling me every racist name in the book. I didn't hold it against a whole race, just the individuals that did it to me. I suspect many of the posters here who have white guilt didn't grow up in the projects

[billryan]

WTF is "white guilt"?
Did you ever kick some black kids ass and call them names?
The very first time I used the "N" word around my parents, my dad literally shoved a bar of soap in my mouth and made me suck on it. Except for in discussing a certain rap band straight out of Compton, I don't believe I've said it since.

[Carcounter]

WTF is "white guilt"?
Did you ever kick some black kids ass and call them names?
The very first time I used the "N" word around my parents, my dad literally shoved a bar of soap in my mouth and made me suck on it. Except for in discussing a certain rap band straight out of Compton, I don't believe I've said it since.

Answer to question 1-You have it and you know what it is. Answer to question number 2-No. I believe you grew up in Nassau County Bill. I know you are not from the projects. And no, I have never used the N word.

[rascal]

"Thank you for your service" to everyone on this board (and their fathers and fathers-in-law) who served!

I have no idea what the current attitude is in the military toward Donald Trump. I served long ago during the Vietnam conflict in a Naval hospital at DaNang where we mostly patched up Marines who were badly damaged by mines and booby traps that sneaky Charlies placed in every conceivable hidden location. We had so many Marines mangled by mines that we actually welcomed a clean-through gunshot wound! OK, "welcomed" is not the right word, sorry.

However, I can tell you for a fact that the Navy I knew back then would have been highly offended to have as president a draft dodger. Not just Trump, but draft dodger Bill Clinton before him. I disagree with what Bill Ryan wrote. To my way of thinking, a draft dodger is a draft dodger regardless of how the dodge happens. Many served during Vietnam who did not agree with the war. But what they did agree with is "when your country calls, you answer." If you disagree, do what John Kerry did --- he served honorably and then later, in civilian life, he became an anti-war activist and a politician.

The fathers and fathers-in-law that the posters on this board wrote about did not twiddle their thumbs or agonize during WWII. They did not run to Canada or discover painful bone spurs. The day after Pearl Harbor, the recruiting stations were completely overwhelmed with volunteers!

Think about Admiral Jeremiah Denton, who was tortured for seven years at the Hanoi Hilton. Upon his release, as the senior POW officer, his very first public statement was to express gratitude for having had the opportunity to serve his country.

If you truly want to make America great again, then always honor her flag and always honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice in serving that flag.