What is full pay?

[shadowman]

There has been some recent discussion of this topic on VPFree. Some wanted to get rid of the term since it IS misleading. I believe JMs version is consistent with the VPFree definition. The problem is full pay in that sense is not always >100%. Personally, I prefer to use positive instead of full pay when the pay table is over 100%. In fact, I rarely use "full pay" anymore because it is ambiguous.
Now, the topic at hand. VP in Iowa. I've only been to a couple of casinos. I've heard that there are a few decent games but nothing other than an occasional progressive that's positive.
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[EDC1977]

 Boy, I won't throw gas on the fire! I always understood it as 100% of ER when played perfectly. Bounce back cash, comps and multi times points days always affects EV but it usually refers to the paytable when spoken doesn't it?

[jm002546]

 Seems to me the strict definition is useful.  No need for someone to be searching for JOB at 100%+.

[faygo]

I will shamelessly reiterate what Basil Nestor said about this in an article appearing in the January 2008 Sticly Slots magazine. "Note that the term "full pay" generally refers to games that pay back 99% or better. He continues, "The sky won't fall if you occasionally push down to 98%, but don't go lower. Some players slip to 97%, then 96%, and suddenly they are playing Keno." (That's a topic for another thread.)

[shadowman]

 Boy, I won't throw gas on the fire! I always understood it as 100% of ER when played perfectly. Bounce back cash, comps and multi times points days always affects EV but it usually refers to the paytable when spoken doesn't it?
 
Yes, it refers to the paytable only.
 
Many times a "full pay" game will not exceed 100% (JOB, BP, BPDlx, etc.), but the overall return with CB, BB and comps does exceed 100%. In any event, unless the "play" (ER plus all extras) exceeds 100% we should expect to lose money over time. This is why I use the term "positive" (meaning >100%) instead. It removes the ambiguity and also has nice connotations.

[rfonlymama]

thanks to one and all....that was very helpful.   I copied the pay tables and am curious to check tomorrow as I don't think any of our games at the local casino (Riverside, IA) has better than 96% which would validify my feelings that the payback is subpar there.



I will certainly check out the if we have any full pay machines in our many other casinos in the state during my travels in the upcoming months.  It does seem that royals hit fairly decent here.  I play about once a week and generally hit 10-12 a year.  I don't know if that's great but it works for me.
Please let me know if you are ever going to play in the Hawkeye state!
 
Marie, thanks for the detailed information.  I have played at the Palms before but not sure I would have ventured there without the super shuttle information.  I may stay and play an hour or two at the Orleans as long as I'm there.   They certainly have enough vp!!
 
Once again, thanks everyone

[jm002546]

  The Orleans appears to offer the poorest VP tables of all the Coast casinos. I don't know that they can make that fly forever.  But they do have a good facility and location plus shuttle so maybe they can.  Most observers have noted that the place has gone down of late. No more fun books is an example.  I always got a kick out of those.

[The Bolt!]

Nobody's right, so let a rookie give it to you straight.  The definition of Full Pay differs by locality. In Nevada it refers to the best paytables available on certain games, like 10/7db and 10/6ddb and 9/6job, etc.  Being a positive or neg. machine means zilch when talking about Full Pay. In another state which doesn't allow anything theoretically over 100% then Full Pay would refer to the highest paytable in that state for a specific game that does not go over 100%. 9/7db, 9/6ddb, etc.
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[oej719]

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[The Bolt!]

Hey teacher Can we meet up in vegas sometime and you explain your great wisdom to me while you eat soup and get plastered.
Please please can I can I.

Are you referring to me? I rarely get to Las Vegas, and I've never taught anyone about video poker if that's what you mean. I don't know enough about it yet. Bit I do like soup and beer. I suggest you cvontact Fa La La La La.... La la la la if you're trying to learn. He'll do all he can to meet up with you if your interested. At least he did with me at an Indian run casino in the Scottsdale area, and I'm winning on a regular basis for a change these days.