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[onemoretry]

I, for one, and am not alone, believe that vp in brick and mortar casinos is on the up and up.

Me too, or I wouldn't play.

[tech58]

Last six posts. Four valid opinions. Each based on one individuals experience.
That's called anecdotal evidence. Certainly not enough to prove true randomness either way.
There are ways to prove the issue but no-one seems to be interested.

[olds442jetaway]

Is it just Ct where many VP players are disappearing, or Nationwide? Agree that some is passing of older people, lack of interest by the newer generation, continued reduction in pay tables, but is it more than that? Personally, I really don’t know. Being that the State gets 25 percent of all slot revenue and VP is lumped in with regular slot machines as a slot, I can certainly see why there would be a lack of interest to look into things further by Government.

[Tedlark]

Last six posts. Four valid opinions. Each based on one individuals experience.
That's called anecdotal evidence. Certainly not enough to prove true randomness either way.
There are ways to prove the issue but no-one seems to be interested.

It's been discussed here, many times over the years, by some pretty smart people.

[felix]

Is it just Ct where many VP players are disappearing, or Nationwide? Agree that some is passing of older people, lack of interest by the newer generation, continued reduction in pay tables, but is it more than that? Personally, I really don’t know. Being that the State gets 25 percent of all slot revenue and VP is lumped in with regular slot machines as a slot, I can certainly see why there would be a lack of interest to look into things further by Government.

The larger casino holding corporations have plenty of resources to turn to if they were sincerely interested in (a) finding out exactly why they are losing VP players; and (b) doing what they need to do to retain and grow their VP market.

They are not interested. VP is a casino game that requires patience and discipline and a very strong educated understanding of the value of hands and paytables. Slots, on the other hand, provide immediate results, be they good or bad. No thinking required.

For the younger generations that were raised with cell phones and I-pads stuck in their faces and fast action addictive video games available from a very young age, sitting in front of a monitor and patiently selecting cards and then maybe waiting for 50 or even 100 hands for something to happen ---- no way.

So, as the older VP players went to that big casino in the sky and the younger casino patrons chose slots, the casino owners and management could not have been more pleased. Slots have a much higher hold margin than VP with no increase in operating expense, benefiting the casino greatly. That's the reason slot machines are constantly being updated and upgraded with fancy and (very important) fast moving character-based graphics. That's what the younger generations want.

There's a reason why we are not still driving Model T Fords. Progress happens and consumer demand changes. Go into your grocery store and look at the dairy case. 10 or 15 years ago that dairy case was totally based on animal products. Today, the average American grocery store has less than 60% of its dairy case based on animal products and more than 40% based on plant products (almond, oat, and soy.) No government investigation needed. Progress occurred and consumer preferences changed.

[dinghy]

Depending on how you define it, slots are severely rigged. One of the hot trends is perceived persistence, where you accumulate stuff such as coins in a pot -- but the accumulation doesn't mean anything.

Maybe the consumer preference shift happened because video poker is not rigged ENOUGH .

[olds442jetaway]

One of the latest accumulation examples are the new Frankenstein machines where multipliers accumulate, but disappear after certain bonus events. Often nothing at all is gained but a buildup in anticipation of the player who sooner than later is forced to start at square one again. I suspect AI will be used to the hilt to not only categorize patterns and quirks of VP players, but to assess what graphic events play the most on players emotions to keep them there feeding the trough. I recently found out that the only reason AI hasn’t gone full bore yet where I play is they are using a third party vendor and trying to work out security concerns so they can use the various AI programs themselves keeping everything in House.

[dinghy]

One of the latest accumulation examples are the new Frankenstein machines where multipliers accumulate, but disappear after certain bonus events.

Frankenstein would be in the true persistence category. Afaik, it's just a variant on a progressive jackpot. The potential prizes above the reels increment up to a 10x multiplier. But the odds on the reels don't change, so therefore the EV of the game increases with the multipliers.

I never look at your thread, so I don't know what was discussed there.

[tech58]

Last six posts. Four valid opinions. Each based on one individuals experience.
That's called anecdotal evidence. Certainly not enough to prove true randomness either way.
There are ways to prove the issue but no-one seems to be interested.

It's been discussed here, many times over the years, by some pretty smart people.

Thank you.
But you missed my intent,,, again.
My concern is with the verification of the randomness of the machines I play.
This has never been answered for casinos in un-regulated markets. Who does that if anybody?
When we last left it the "fox guarding the chicken coop was leading".

[Tedlark]

Last six posts. Four valid opinions. Each based on one individuals experience.
That's called anecdotal evidence. Certainly not enough to prove true randomness either way.
There are ways to prove the issue but no-one seems to be interested.

It's been discussed here, many times over the years, by some pretty smart people.

Thank you.
But you missed my intent,,, again.
My concern is with the verification of the randomness of the machines I play.
This has never been answered for casinos in un-regulated markets. Who does that if anybody?
When we last left it the "fox guarding the chicken coop was leading".

I did not miss your intent. If you have any doubts what so ever that the game, any game, you play, is unfair, DO NOT PLAY IT!

If you are referring "un-regulated markets" to be Native American casinos, they are regulated. You may not like to hear this, again, but they are regulated. As others here have pointed out, casinos do not have to rig machines to be profitable. Can you please do your own research on the topic as you obviously do not believe what others here, write.