All Star Poker - Unpopular?
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All Star Poker - Unpopular?
I know that All Star Poker has been around for a while now, but it doesn't seem to be very popular. Whenever I see it in the casino there's rarely anybody sitting in those seats, although the Spin Poker, Super Times Poker, etc., are full. Once I realized that 3/5 Play, Spin Poker can also be found on All Star Poker I couldn't figure out why these games always seem dead. How loose or tight the paytables are don't seem to make a difference either because I've seen these games setup differently at different casinos.
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Jay,
The problem I've found with All-Star Poker machines is that the pay tables are usually set up for lower returns than the same games on other machines. It's almost like if you want the variety of games that All-Star Poker machines offer you need to give up something for it. I've seen All-Star machines sprinkled in with Supertimes, Double Pay, Spin-Poker and 3/5 play machines and usually the pay tables will be lower on All-Star on all the games. An example I can give you first hand is here outside Phoenix at Harrah's there is a bank of three Supertimes machines that return 9-5 on 10-cent, 10-play DDB. Behind these three machines there are three All-Star machines that have the same exact game with a 8-5 return for the same denomination. My suggestion, to answer your question, would be to look at the pay tables and see if they are lower than the other machines. If they're not, I'd play the All-Star machines because they usually offer alot of variety.
The problem I've found with All-Star Poker machines is that the pay tables are usually set up for lower returns than the same games on other machines. It's almost like if you want the variety of games that All-Star Poker machines offer you need to give up something for it. I've seen All-Star machines sprinkled in with Supertimes, Double Pay, Spin-Poker and 3/5 play machines and usually the pay tables will be lower on All-Star on all the games. An example I can give you first hand is here outside Phoenix at Harrah's there is a bank of three Supertimes machines that return 9-5 on 10-cent, 10-play DDB. Behind these three machines there are three All-Star machines that have the same exact game with a 8-5 return for the same denomination. My suggestion, to answer your question, would be to look at the pay tables and see if they are lower than the other machines. If they're not, I'd play the All-Star machines because they usually offer alot of variety.
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Jaynick; do pay attention to the paytables and check both higher and lower denoms as all denoms don't necessarily pay the same. Sometimes, free standing machines don't pay as well as the all-stars but most do pay better than because you have such a wide variety of games and denoms at your fingertips if you're willing to drop the dunkins. I found a quarter spin machine 8/5 DDB and checked the all-star and it had spin quarters at 9/6, same game. Go figure!
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That's interesting. It doesn't make sense that you'd have a free standing Spin Poker setup at one denom a certain way and then have a Spin Poker at the same denom on an All Star Poker a different way.
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It may not make sense to you, but you will find different pay tables all throughout a casino for the same denomination and game, even on two machines sitting side by side that look identical. That's why knowing your pay tables is one of the most important things in educating yourself about video poker play.
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FYI-At the Taj the STP and the STP on the all star poker machine have the same paytables and they are both crowded all the time.
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It may not make sense to you, but you will find different pay tables all throughout a casino for the same denomination and game, even on two machines sitting side by side that look identical.
I'd agree with the person you replied to in that I prefer to have things neat and tidy with all machines in a bank having the same pays. Casinos aren't required to do that, so it is a good idea to check the pays on each one. I'm sure that it's sometimes done as a little bit of trickery, but other times it could be a case of a casino getting rid of some machines and consolidating the rest in one place. As long as the pays are shown on each machine there's no legal problem for a casino to arrange them that way.
We had one casino here that caught some flak in a P.R. sense for doing stuff like that when it opened. That was Ameristar, which originally opened as a Hyatt about 5 years ago. Any of my fellow CO players remember that? They had banks where adjacent machines would have identical games, but different denominations. There's no actual legal problem with doing that as the denom is shown on the machine, but there were still complaints.
I'd agree with the person you replied to in that I prefer to have things neat and tidy with all machines in a bank having the same pays. Casinos aren't required to do that, so it is a good idea to check the pays on each one. I'm sure that it's sometimes done as a little bit of trickery, but other times it could be a case of a casino getting rid of some machines and consolidating the rest in one place. As long as the pays are shown on each machine there's no legal problem for a casino to arrange them that way.
We had one casino here that caught some flak in a P.R. sense for doing stuff like that when it opened. That was Ameristar, which originally opened as a Hyatt about 5 years ago. Any of my fellow CO players remember that? They had banks where adjacent machines would have identical games, but different denominations. There's no actual legal problem with doing that as the denom is shown on the machine, but there were still complaints.
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In some cases casinos may have placed the better denoms in non-adjacent positions to keep players from tying up two machines at once.
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[QUOTE=Webman]It may not make sense to you, but you will find different pay tables all throughout a casino for the same denomination and game, even on two machines sitting side by side that look identical.
I'd agree with the person you replied to in that I prefer to have things neat and tidy with all machines in a bank having the same pays. Casinos aren't required to do that, so it is a good idea to check the pays on each one. I'm sure that it's sometimes done as a little bit of trickery, but other times it could be a case of a casino getting rid of some machines and consolidating the rest in one place. As long as the pays are shown on each machine there's no legal problem for a casino to arrange them that way.
We had one casino here that caught some flak in a P.R. sense for doing stuff like that when it opened. That was Ameristar, which originally opened as a Hyatt about 5 years ago. Any of my fellow CO players remember that? They had banks where adjacent machines would have identical games, but different denominations. There's no actual legal program with doing that as the denom is shown on the machine, but there were still complaints.
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I can't belive they would do that, LOL. Multi-denom was around at that time, so it would've made more sense to use that technology. Now it's even more widespread and casino's are really make bad decisions if they're mixing the minimum denom within one bank of games.
I'd agree with the person you replied to in that I prefer to have things neat and tidy with all machines in a bank having the same pays. Casinos aren't required to do that, so it is a good idea to check the pays on each one. I'm sure that it's sometimes done as a little bit of trickery, but other times it could be a case of a casino getting rid of some machines and consolidating the rest in one place. As long as the pays are shown on each machine there's no legal problem for a casino to arrange them that way.
We had one casino here that caught some flak in a P.R. sense for doing stuff like that when it opened. That was Ameristar, which originally opened as a Hyatt about 5 years ago. Any of my fellow CO players remember that? They had banks where adjacent machines would have identical games, but different denominations. There's no actual legal program with doing that as the denom is shown on the machine, but there were still complaints.
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I can't belive they would do that, LOL. Multi-denom was around at that time, so it would've made more sense to use that technology. Now it's even more widespread and casino's are really make bad decisions if they're mixing the minimum denom within one bank of games.
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I can't belive they would do that, LOL. Multi-denom was around at that time, so it would've made more sense to use that technology. Now it's even more widespread and casino's are really make bad decisions if they're mixing the minimum denom within one bank of games.
Here in the sticks it always takes longer for the new stuff to arrive. I think our Hyatt opened in December, 2003 and I don't think I saw the first multigame/multidenom machine in any casino here until April, 2004. So the Hyatt was able to stay with that trick for a while.