Why is HE speaking to Casino Execs?

[Webman]

It is true that you have to play a great deal to potentially realize a precise return. Few players are after that precise return and I have never heard anyone be encouraged by the members of this site to play indefinitely to try to realize that return. That is not the objective. For most it is a hobby, not a career.The bottom line with AP is that diverting from it puts more money in the vault of the casino in the long run. If you want to minimize the amount of money that the machine keeps, you must play the absolute best hold in any situation. It is that simple. Not a matter of opinion.It is people's inability to do so that keeps video poker machines profitable for the casino. It does not matter if you play one hand or a million.

[rolanddude]

I agree Webman...That's what I was trying to tell them all...that these strategies can be played expertly or whatever...I play them expertly.  The strategy is in the betting of how much and when to raise...Thanks,Joeps...sorry to be talking strategy here

[Webman]

Your betting strategy as you described it in the other topic is perfectly valid. It will result in an increased number of winning sessions with greater losses on the losing sessions. I believe that it is only the expectations that are in dispute.The net gain/loss for the casino is unchanged if you do not deviate from the mathematically best holds. People can expect to win more or fewer sessions using different betting schemes, but they cannot expect these methods to give them any further edge over the casino. Video poker is one of the few games in a casino that allows an edge for the player. And the ONLY way to truly have an edge over the casino in video poker is to play on positive pay tables while making the correct holds. Otherwise you are simply subject to good or bad fortune.Do you dispute this?

[rolanddude]

If my bankroll is already going to be around $3000 per session whether I play this betting strategy or not, then the only difference is that I will be getting up from my chair a winner many more times than before.  There is nothing to dispute about it.  My risk is always going to be this high and so are my potential losses no matter which way I choose to play...So why wouldn't I want to be a winner more often?   It is a good play in my case...

[Webman]

If your goal is only to leave your chair on the plus side more frequently, there is nothing wrong with that. Just do not be under the illusion that you will have a better edge than anyone else by doing so. If one of your early sessions is a complete loss, it could take many smaller winning sessions to be back on the plus side overall. So those "session wins" don't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. They feel good, though. Nothing wrong with that.

[Tedlark]

  I am guessing that somewhere some smart people got together and decided to lower the points compilation that video poker players get in return for their play (say it takes a video poker player twice as long to earn the same amount of points). Could a topic such as this have been shown by Dancer to casino executives in one of his sessions?
 
 
 
Remember...
Whoever smelt it;
Undoubtly dealt it,
Grab the Fabreeze!

[rolanddude]

Tedlark,read the brochure...I am not making this up!!!  On Compton & Dancer's own brochure (the second link on my post) it plainly states what the speakers (Hired by CDC) are going to talk about.  I don't see anything about half the points...what I see is "How to consolidate your elusive VIP players' wallet..."  or "how to profit more from your slot and vp players..."  and "how to conduct profitable VP promotions"....read it for yourself if you dare...And by the way ... slots are bigger money suckers than vp machines so math would tell you why you don't get comps faster...for a real shock try to get rated at the tables....

[Tedlark]

  Slots may be bigger money suckers but there is no expert play with slot machines. Video poker gives the player a better opportunity for return and the casinos know this, that's why points aren't earned at the same rate as slot machines. Gee, cutting comp points (or bounceback cash) would somehow equate to profitting more from vp players wouldn't it?
 
 
Remember...
Whoever smelt it;
Undoubtedly dealt it,
Grab the Fabreeze! 

[rolanddude]

That surely isn't the best defense you have for he and his company's actions is it...?Maybe it is.I think his little straddle the fence and play both sides angle that he is playing is deceitful and disgraceful.  He is willing to tell you all about his dealings with casinos if you contact him according to webman.  But he does not disclose this conflict of interest in any of his training sessions or books that I have paid money to learn from....Honest?  Hardly!!!!Again, read the content of the classes over at UNLV that he is a part of this week...Sounds like hes got players figured out because...let's see...ummmm...Oh yeah!!!  He was our teacher!!!!   What a scam!  You should be mad and skeptical too....

[royal flush]

the key to vp is playing games with good paytables and playing them correctly and at the level that you can afford, without financial harm even with a protracted "cold streak" . I play fpdw 25c and play it correctly at places like palms red rock gvr. even though i am ahead there are trips i will have losses. this is not my job as i would be better of working for burger king but this is fun and fun that i make a few dollars at it good fun. this nonsence about changing denomation or coin in is pure nonsence or changing play is pure nonsence. even nostrodomis did not know when the royal would pop up