Short Term Strategy Part 3: The Enema

[Webman]

Resume discussion here.Part One:http://www.videopoker.com/forum/forum_p ... D=2041Part Two:http://www.videopoker.com/forum/forum_p ... p?TID=2050

[Webman]

Some pertinent posts from the previous parts to pick up on... (that's a lot of p's)[quote=rolanddude]what are you clowns talking about?...Try what I have stated in my post and tell me it is not true!!!I
have never bought anyone's book except all the Dancer Books.   I will
not buy anyone's book in the future.  I have not mentioned who came up
with this system only to say my friend.You guys however flaunt
his name on your every post (oej...the S  I  N  G  E  R dinger man). 
You have enabled scores of people to be able to google his name and
find his site.  You are the pimp-daddy.  Live with it!!!Nobody
can refute what happens when playing this way.  The stats show that a
player playing one denom throughout a session will always underperform
in the long run and only outperform in a few rare situations in the
short run compared to playing the ARTT betting strategy.  And by the
way you don't have to go to anyone's web site to learn it....I have
freely posted how to do it here....duh!!!  If I was in cahoots with him
we sure would be pitiful businessmen for GIVING away the farm!!!  I am not contending that you will beat the casino or gain an edge over them ever.
I do contend, however,  that you will win more than you would have per
session or lose less than you would have per session by playing ARTT
whenever you do play in any casino.  The math says so and so do I. 
There is nothing  to sell, learn, or argue further about it.  No
subscriptions...Gold
memberships...endorsements....disclaimers...nothing!!!  Get over it you
obsessive compulsory critics!!!   If you can't disprove it....Shut up!Graciously,Joe[/quote][quote=eduardo]Rolanddude, do you see anyone else here selling anything either? No?
Then there is nothing to argue further about it like you said.  Your
claim that people will "win more than you would have per session or
lose less than you would have per session " is utterly false. This has
already been mathematically PROVEN. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
You have the nerve to call other people obsessive in the face of that?
Very sad my friend. Nobody is listening any more....Rolanddude, I have just one question for you. If this strategy is everything you say it is, then why is it a short term strategy?
 
If it would work for everyone any time they walk into a casino, it would work for you any time too.
 
So it sounds like you have it all figured out. If it is not
destined to fail greatly at some point, why not hunker down and employ
it at larger denominations for a lengthy period and win back all the
money you said you lost on other strategies, then win some more and get
wealthy?
 
I'm not trying to sell you anything here. I don't have any books.
I haven't even read a single vp book in my life. Just trying to save
you some suffering, my friend.[/quote][quote=mickey crimm]Mr. Rolandude, let me save YOU some suffering, my friend.  I am not a
rookie.  I work the biggest edges in the video poker world.  Always
have, always will.  It's just my style.  I' have worked  games you have
never heard of.  Ever heard of Jackpot Cards, or Flush Attack, or Draw
Till U Win? 
 
I'm currently working vp games that are not even listed on The
Wizard of Odds site.  Have you ever had a 14.5% edge at vp?  How about
a 9% edge?  How about a 7% edge? I"ve had 13 straight winning years at
video poker.   And I'm in the middle of my 14th.  I'm an advantage
player, and I know how to get the job done.   No one can sell snake oil
to me. I'm you're anathema.  You are a disadvantage player.  You  are a
real gambler, I'm not. 
 
While you have a day job and talk mumbo jumbo I'm the guy in the
trenches.   I'm the guy out here doing it year in and year out, with no
other income but my gambling win.    I'm a scientific player, period. 
 
The masses just don't know how advantage gambling works.  But they
always have hope.  And snake oil salesmen play off the hope of the
masses.  So there is a market there. 
 
I was a high school dropout.  I recently reestablished contact
with an uncle of mine after 35 years.  He and his wife are PHD's.  He
was the President of a 4 campus college for 25 years.  He was a General
in the Air National Guard.  At his retirement as President of the
college he was honored by Congress and the Georgia Legislature. 
 
When he found out I was a professional video poker player his
first question to me was "how do you know when a machine is going to
hit."
 
That's just how little the masses know about the subject.  It's
wide open for exploitation and I believe that's just what the developer
of ARTT is doing. Exploiting. 
 
I have 2 questions:
 
1.  If you have statistics proving that RNG's underperform would you post them here or publish them.   
 
2.  Clown?  Pimp Dadday?  Live with it!!!!?  Why do propoents of
ARTT always resort to malignant narcissism when confronted by a
different opinion?...And one more question, Mr. Rolanddude.  Is ARTT a "system" or a "tactic?"
Explain it to us like we are 3 year olds.  [/quote][quote=cddenver]Unless I'm misreading your post, you seem to contradict yourself
in consecutive sentences.  You say that you've provided enough free
information here to win but then you say that it would be bad business
to just give it away.  Does your mentor know that you're giving away
info that he'd prefer to sell?
 
I'll take your last sentence as confirmation that special plays
are sold as part of personal training.   It's nice to get that settled,
once and for all.  Please don't say again that your mentor isn't
selling anything; if that were true - and he didn't need the money -
he'd go ahead and put them on his site (not just the few "teasers" he's
given)....I'll save you the time and say that you won't get a definite answer out of him on that issue.
 
On the
one hand, he's said that he leans towards the view that RNG's have been
tampered with, pointing to the Great Nevada Experiment being performed
by his mentor.   On the other hand, he's said that he doesn't care
about that experiment, and regularly posts ARTT results from PC
simulations as ones that can be achieved in real play.
 
I'd
like to make a suggestion to rolanddude - we'll assume that RNG's are
random on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays and you can post further PC
simulation results then.  The rest of the week we'll assume that
they've been tampered with, so that your mentor won't think that you're
going behind his back by claiming that the RNG's do operate in a random
fashion.  We all know how upset your friend gets when people disagree
with anything that he says, and he's said some bad things about people
who have questioned his RNG test and results.  This solution might be
enough to keep you in his good graces.
 
This way, we'll have the bases covered as far as randomness goes.  [/quote][quote=mickey crimm]Thanks, oej719.  I made my first post here last night.   The tone of
rollandudes response to it was much harsher than any post he has made
before.  I hope everyone noticed that.  We are now clowns, pimp
daddy's, obsessive critics, etc., etc
 
The developer of ARTT and I are arch enemies in the video poker
world.   His posts on another forum were always belittling me.  Now,
Joe is doing the same.  Something is not right here.  There's a rotten
fish in Denmark. 
 
Joe is spending an exorbitant amount of time on his posts just
like the developer of ARTT did.  He is pushing hard for ARTT just like
the developer did.  And as soon as I show up on this forum he starts
the name calling, just like the developer of ARTT. 
 
Like I said, there is a rotten fish in Denmark. 
 [/quote][quote=royal flush]it is clear that vp like life is one long session playing games with
positive ev and playing them correctly is the key to profits. i like
fpdw at places like palms and i play it correctly ( with the exception
of a minor error about once an hour missing a pair gut shot straight)
this means a variance of less than .1%. i enjoy vp and folks who are
playing games with poor paytables will get poor results especially when
they play poorly[/quote][quote=new2vp]Mickey, thanks for the informative comments.  Speaking for myself, I've
grown weary of responding to the obvious attempts to mislead and
obfuscate, so it's nice to see fresh blood in the attack.  My
presumption is that these people know better, but I'm not 100% sure
about that.I'm wondering if you'd be willing to try to change
the direction of this thread so that it provides some information to
the rest of the readers rather than feed the egos of those extolling
the virtues of changing betting sizes to scare the casinos.  (For some
reason, negative comments and proofs that their systems are not as
advertised seem to encourage rather than discourage the grifters, thus
causing us to have to sift through more drivel to find anything
interesting to read.  If this were a court of law, we could object that
these points have been endlessly "asked and answered" and any judge
would be able to sustain that objection.)I obviously came to
the vp party later than you did.  Just out of curiosity, I'm interested
in historic games that no longer appear and would like to hear details
of those types of games.  I have heard of Flush Attack where after 3 or
4 flushes, a machine (or a bank of them) goes into attack mode where
the next flush is worth 5 times the normal payoff.I can guess
by the name that Draw Till U Win would allow the player to continue to
draw cards (perhaps with an additional bet) when they get a favorable
deal (perhaps like 4 to a flush or better).  Is that how this one
works?  What would have been a typical pay schedule? I've
never heard of Jackpot Cards and the name doesn't suggest an obvious
format.  How does this one work and what would be a typical pay
schedule?Thanks in advance.[/quote]Carry on. Keep it clean.

[royal flush]

thank you wm, most of us just want to enjoy playing vp and sharing ideas about various games where the better paytables and comps are and what is happening in the vp world

[Eduardo]

rf that is how i feel. I am all for learning how to play better and ways to make more money but it always amazes me how people think there is some super secret way to beat the casinos more. It's not a secret. You CAN do it but it is not with secret new strategies, holds, or betting schemes. It is all about the pay tables and discipline. Or just have fun and hope to get lucky. Collect some comps along the way.
 
If any of these strategies actually increased the return, they could be simulated and proven. Unfortunately the only true simulations people here have done resulted in exactly what people would expect... no gain in ER.
 
Everyone seems to be on the same page so I'm not sure why there is even debate. I think rolanddude even said this creates more winning sessions but not increased winnings overall. Maybe he didn't mean it. The only point he will not concede is that you could be a big big fat loser doing this too. Bigger than if you just played normally, but less frequently. And in the end, if half the people play this way and half the people play just one amount, the two groups will bring home the same amount of pie. It's just that the losers on one side will have much more rotten pie.
 
And like I said, if I dropped to dimes when I am normally am a dollar player and I hit my royal flush on a dime, I would be furious. If there is no gain at all, then it is simply NOT worth that chance! Not to mentioning chaning the amount all the time. It verges on neurotic.

[mickey crimm]

For me Draw till U Win was the most fun video poker game ever and it came in at 103.2%.  There was never anything published on the game until well after it went extinct in 2004.  Those of us who knew about it still kept it a secret hoping the game would come back.  After a few years we finally started talking about the game. 
 
It would take me quite a while to explain DTUW here but if I'm permitted, I don't know if this is kosher or not so Webman let me know if I'm overstepping my bounds.  I fully explained DTUW a couple of years ago on vpFREE. So if you go over there and click on "messages' then punch 76,939 into the Message # you can read that post then keep scrolling down and follow the thread where I make more posts on the game.  Incidentally, Doug Reul, a good friend of mine, joined in the thread.  He's the one who wrote the program to analyze the game.  Even today's software on the market cannot analyze the game.  He exposed it to very few people. 

[shadowman]

I do believe new2vp's post about "team" play should put this baby to bed for good. It cleverly makes it obvious there is no difference in any progression vs. single line play. And, it demonstrates that Joe () was lying when he said:
 
"I do contend, however,  that you will win more than you would have per session or lose less than you would have per session by playing ARTT whenever you do play in any casino.  The math says so and so do I. "
 
Sorry Joe, but lying only makes you look like a shill for your mentor. Now that new2vp has made that extremely obvious I think it time to face the music.   Lies will get you nowhere.

[mickey crimm]

Jackpot Cards was an old Sigma game.  When I first got into vp in 96 these machines were all over Laughlin.  The base game was usually a bad pay Double Double Jackpot or Double Jackpot Bonus, but we'll go with Double Double Jackpot.  The best paying was 8/6DDJ, then 8/5DDJ, then 7/5DDJ, the worst was 6/5DDJ. 

 
At the top of the screen was a "Jackpot Card."  It was a square with 25 smaller squares inside.  In each square would be listed a particlular 4 of a kind.  All the 4K's were represented.  Also some of the squares had particular full houses listed, like queens full, kings full, etc.  The center square listed 2 pair.  A couple had 3K's listed. 
 
When you would hit one of those hands the square would fill in-or darken.   Once you filled in a whole row of five you got a $62.50 bonus for  hitting that particular hand.  For instance if the last square in the row to be filled in was four 3's, then you got paid for the four 3's plus an extra $62.50. 
 
Once you filled up a row you got paid then that row would go blank again.
 
You could fill a row in horizonatally or vertically and slant wise.    Consequently the last 4K to be filled in could take off 2 or 3 rows at once and you got paid 2 or 3 bonuses. 
 
The trick was to let the tourists fill the card up to where 4 or 5 different 4k"s would  get a bonus plus some of those 4K's would take off 2 or 3 rows at the same time.   
 
The machines were all over Laughlin and it was just a matter of monitoring them and playing only when you had a major overlay.  The absolute best play was when you had 11 bonuses working at the same time.  We figured each bonus as a .9% addon, so if the base game was 96% and you caught an eleven-way you were up around 106% on your action. 
 
You were always pulling to take 3 rows off at once and getting paid 3 bonuses.
 
Then there was another little phenomena.  Sometimes a tourist would fill the 4K's in and leave the machine with only a full house like queens full needed to take off the bonus.   This was a huge overlay, up around 120%. 
 
Once you busted a row off you had to leave the machine and let the tourists fill the card back up. 
 
Well, I've got a hot date tonite.  My little sweetie pie is coming out.  Ooh, baby!  So I've got to go get ready.  I'll make more posts when I get a chance.  Good luck. 

[New2vp]

Thanks Mickey, I saw a column posted a couple years ago with a similar
game.  The column was written in 1998 by someone who calls himself
Gamemaster at:

http://www.gamemasteronline.com/Archive ... ingo.shtml

It had the following "bingo" card.  Is this similar to what you remember?





3
of a Kind


Full House
8,9,10 High


Flush
Diamonds


Four
Queens


Four 5s




Four 4s


Four 7s


Four 9s


Full House
J, Q High


Full House
King High




Flush
Spades


Four 2s


Two-pair


Four 6s


Flush
Clubs




Four Aces


Straight


Four Kings


Full House
Ace High


Four 3s




Four 10s


Four Jacks


Flush
Hearts


Full House
2,3,4 High


Four 8s

[New2vp]

I fully explained DTUW a couple of years ago on vpFREE. So if you go over there and click on "messages' then punch 76,939 into the Message # you can read that post then keep scrolling down and follow the thread where I make more posts on the game.  Incidentally, Doug Reul, a good friend of mine, joined in the thread.Thanks, it made for one of the more interesting reads in quite a while.

[mickey crimm]

Thanks Mickey, I saw a column posted a couple years ago with a similar game.  The column was written in 1998 by someone who calls himself Gamemaster at:

http://www.gamemasteronline.com/Archive ... ingo.shtml

It had the following "bingo" card.  Is this similar to what you remember?










3
of a Kind

Full House
8,9,10 High

Flush
Diamonds

Four
Queens

Four 5s


Four 4s

Four 7s

Four 9s

Full House
J, Q High

Full House
King High


Flush
Spades

Four 2s

Two-pair

Four 6s

Flush
Clubs


Four Aces

Straight

Four Kings

Full House
Ace High

Four 3s


Four 10s

Four Jacks

Flush
Hearts

Full House
2,3,4 High

Four 8s Yes, that's it.  I had forgotten about the flushes.  Sometimes you would cath it just needing the flush to take a row off.