An open offer to Fa La La La La.... La la la la

[Webman]

As Fa La La La La.... La la la la has stated, he doesn't know whether this particular phenomenon would actually hurt the player or even help them, as outlined in the flush example above. My understanding is that he is not claiming that anyone has programmed in this 5th card flip phenomenon specifically, rather that it is just one observable pattern or side effect that demonstrates a lack of true randomness in the machines.The effects would all be worth debating... if we knew whether it actually occurs or not. That is my goal to ascertain. If this phenomenon does not occur, then there is little point in debating the effects.Some here say Fa La La La La.... La la la la is outright fibbing. Perhaps some would say there is a dark cloud following him where it mysteriously only happens to him. Well, I should be able to report on that in either case. I'll bring my umbrella. Or, if the cards so fall, I will gladly share results indicating that he appears to be right.

[jm002546]

  
I believe the 1% math error rule struck you - how about  1 out of 3 - 33.3%.[QUOTE=pokeherguy]
This should be interesting. I gotta say this or I wouldn't be who I am. Having played video poker for many years and never really knew how the vp machines worked, didn't care. I played video poker because I was smart enough to see it was better than playing slots. I never really got interested in any of the finer parts of the game until a couple of years ago when I started to play at another location. There were some things that did seem odd and one just happened to concern 4-cards to the flush off the deal. I was getting so many of these flush draws that I probably would have been better off tossing the whole mess away. It was almost predictible, if I threw away a 7-spade I got back a 7-heart. Whether it was bad luck, bad cards or whatever it did cause me to question the game.

The issue I have here is if you have 4 to a flush and throw away a 7s and get a 7h wouldn't that complete a flush 66.67% of the time? So although the same value card may be flipped over, one would still have a winning draw here. [/QUOTE]

[shadowman]

Pokeherguy,
 
Not sure what you meant by "trusting the math". The math provides probabilities rather than absolutes. That's why Mickey continues to mention the large edge he always looks for when gambling. Your results will end up in a range based on the paytables you play, the skill you use and the total number of hands you play.


 
So, by trusting the math you may still end up towards the bottom of the range. 

[shadowman]

Good point, the probability of a non-winning flipover with a 4-flush is only 2 out of 47 as opposed to the 3/47 value when confronted with 2 pairs or a 4-straight.



 
This is also true of a 4 card straight in Double Bonus where a low pair is tossed. Also true if you throw SF and RF 4 card holds into the mix.
 
Seems to me the best way to attack this problem is look at ALL four card holds (even dealt quads) including inside straights in games where they are held. That will give the most chances to find out what is going on.

[Eduardo]

Sorry for being skeptical but I still say he will chicken out here.
 
I don't know how to come up with those fancy math probabilities like new2vp but I did a graph that I think is probably a little more accurate.
 

[cddenver]

My understanding is that he is not claiming that anyone has programmed in this 5th card flip phenomenon specifically, rather that it is just one observable pattern or side effect that demonstrates a lack of true randomness in the machines.

 
I can't think of any way of writing the code that would cause a high number of "flips" by accident, it would have had to be done by design.  If it's some sort of unintended effect, all I can say is that they have poor quality control in their software design process.  Pretty sloppy to write rigged code and then not check the rigging.  So, beat the casino owner's teenager for doing such a bad job on the code, and move up to a first-year college student.  College students are cheaper anyway, many would accept beer as payment.
 
The simplest way of implementing a cheat like this is to just let the game software work as it's already intended to work, with one small twist.  The twist would be for the rigged game program to check that drawn card before displaying it to the player.  If it completes a winning hand, simply continue getting numbers from the RNG for that last card until any card comes up that doesn't complete the Straight, Flush, or Full House.  That card is then the one that's shown.  Since there's no bias towards the dropped card this method would be less detectable by players.  

[cddenver]

Sorry for being skeptical but I still say he will chicken out here.
 
I don't know how to come up with those fancy math probabilities like new2vp but I did a graph that I think is probably a little more accurate.
 
 
The description for the far right data point got dropped:
 
"Probability that he'll make it through the session without a foamy beverage" 

[faygo]

 
Oh Great, Eduardo! Now I got a crick in my neck from reading your chart. I didn't have room to lay down.   By the way, I have always supported Flipism as a method of making important decisions.

[cddenver]

 Oh Great, Eduardo! Now I got a crick in my neck from reading your chart. I didn't have room to lay down.   By the way, I have always supported Flipism as a method of making important decisions.
 
"Digital Decision Generator" is the modern term, I believe.  Mine is broken, though - it comes up "heads" 2/3 of the time.

[New2vp]

Eduardo, Much better use of graphics than I could develop!  And really funny!