Playing on another person's bank. What's fair?

[mickey crimm]

I bankroll my girlfriend on my video poker play.  She's a little sweetheart, drop dead gorgeous,  and treats me real nice.  So I treat her real nice. 
I play much faster than her.  I crank out 1100 hands per hour, she cranks out 700. 
 
Playing by myself my expectation if $50 per hour.  But with her playing beside me the expectation jumps up to $82 per hour.  This play is a little different than my 14.5% play.  I have only a 9.1% overlay.  And again, I can only bet 50 cents per hand.  In other words it takes very little bankroll to exploit this play.  It's like taking candy from a baby. 
 
I give here a 60/40 split on the money.  Everytime we get a $1000 lead I give her $400.  I keep the records and, meanwhile, I give her a $10 an hour draw for every hour she plays.  She only plays part time and the rest of the time I play by myself.  I'm so kind hearted.   Actually, she's the only person on the planet that can make a sucker out of me. 

[mickey crimm]

I failed to mention a few things. 
 
First, when we hit the $1000 mark I give her $400 minus the amount of draws she had. 
 
Second, the reason Id on't put her on the 14.5% play is I'm down to one machine. 
 
Third, I have the 9.1% overlay for the same reason I have the 14.5% overlay, a technicians error in where a mid-range progressive resets. 

[EDC1977]

I play much faster than her.  I crank out 1100 hands per hour, she cranks out 700. 
  Mickey, I'm comfortable playing 4-500 HPH and she does 700? Thats pretty quick and she's getting up to Shadowmans speed.

[mickey crimm]

The machines I play these days do not have hold buttons for each individual card.  It's auto-hold and touchscreen.  The auto-hold is right 7 times out of 8.  But where it's wrong it's really wrong.  To change the hold you have to touch the cards you want to discard.   The machines have 5 speeds from slow to turbo. 
 
I got used to this and can play faster than Nevada machines.  It's mainly because I only have to change 1 out of 8 hands.  I play at the second highest speed and can actually crank out 1300 in an hour if I don't take any breaks and concentrate fully.  But I take lots of breaks and walk around, even throw water in my face, because I tend to get the computer stare or get sleepy after a couple of hours.  Even though I can reach 1300 HPH after 5 hours I usually have about 5500 hands in. 
 
I was never able to reach 1300 HPH in Nevada, much less be accurate with it. 

[mickey crimm]

Bankrolling another player is an opportunity for both the bankroller and the bankrollee.  The bankrollee has a chance to build a bankroll and the bankroller has an opportunity to make some money that he wouldn't ordinarily make. 
 
One of the problems of bankrolling other players is they tend to want to go on their own once they get enough bankroll.   Many will bail when they get enough money to play a lower denom on their own.   So bankrollers who have been through this usually make the bankrollee agree that so much money has to be made before he can go on his own. 

[EDC1977]

Mickey, some machines I play do have autohold and before learning proper play techniques, they were a great help for me and you're correct in stating that they usually are correct holds although not always. I have yet to find a "touch screen only" machine but thats here in Calif.

[mickey crimm]

Mickey, some machines I play do have autohold and before learning proper play techniques, they were a great help for me and you're correct in stating that they usually are correct holds although not always. I have yet to find a "touch screen only" machine but thats here in Calif.
 
Auto-hold with tourchscreen is a Montana thing.  All the machines here, about 20,000 now across the state, made by IGT, Summit, and Spielo, are all autohold with touchscreen.  None of the machines have hold buttons for individual cards. 
 
Montana is a different situation than other jurisdictons.  Back in the eighties the bar business started dropping off because of tougher drunk driving laws, MADD, and other factors.   The Montana legislature threw the bar owners a bone by legalizing video poker and video keno to make up for the loss of business. 
 
In order to have machines you have to have a liquor license.  And one business can have no more than 20 machines.  There are about 20,000 machines spread out over 1700 licensed establishments.  I call them mini-casinos. 
 
So when you walk into a bar in this state you will generally see 10 to 20 machines.  Sometimes they are iin a sideroom to the bar.  State law is no jackpot to exceed $800 and $2 is the maximum bet. 
 
Another Montana quirk is short coiners do not get penalized on the royal odds.    It's actually the other way around, those betting high get penalized on royal odds.  There are 2 denoms, nickels, and quarters.  The nickel players can bet from 1 to forty coins and the quarter players can bet from 1 to eight coins.  So a player betting 5 cents is getting 800 to one on the royal but a player betting $2 is getting only 400 to one on the royal.  This is because of the state law prohibiting jackpots higher than $800.
 
On nickels you will get 800 for one from 1 through 20 coins.  At the 20th coin the royal pays $800.  From 21 coins up to 40 coins the royal stays at $800.  It works the same way on quarters.  So those betting higher than $1 have lower EV than those betting less.  Weird!

[EDC1977]

Here, it's IGT MG/MD (including keno) and Bally game makers. 1-5 coins although there are a sparse number of ten plus games if you go looking for them. Denoms go from pennies to Hundies in the high limit rooms. No penalties since the games are all at tribal casinos with state compacts in place. regular W2-G's apply to anything over $1,200. Strange that the payout stays the same for you from 21-40 coins though. Go figure.

[spxChrome]

I'd say get paid by the hour so you at least make some money

[ginxxxx]

If you are new to vp why is he bankrolling you? Gump, does any of this require sitting on someone's lap?