Offer to Fa La La La La.... La la la la: Results (5th card flip)

[rolanddude]

I just now received a private message from st"oej"ooge head...
 
"You in vegas meeting with your pulisher? HeHe Ha HA
I have it from good sources you who are. Turns out I was right all along.
Vroom vroom vroom "
 
Wow!!!  What a dumb ass!!!   OEJ, Since you referenced that Webman could verifiy who was voting in your poll, I might suggest you personally ask him to verify my current IP address...I am sitting here winding down the day at my business...Showtime Music Center, The Villages, FL 32162. 
 
Not that you ever had credibility but you have again proved how good you and "your sources" are for info. 
 
One and a Two and a Three little indians; Four and a Five and a......
 
Again,  I refer to my questions from my last entry...(since all 10 votes have been counted already in OEJ's poll)...Another "simply yes or no" exercise.  Elaborations on your answer are permitted however.

[cddenver]

cddenver wrote
  

For the vote, put me down for a "yes" as far as agreeing with the sentiment.  That makes 5.  We've been told that there are only 10 people who post in the forum, so that covers 40% of the posting base.  I know more math than 99% of the population (plus I took my smart pill today), so I can make that as a definite statement.
 

[rolanddude]

Thanks cd,
 
I hope I can keep my streak going.  As you know I stopped posting my PC sim/practice session results.  When I would show a good result I would be called in so many words...a liar.  When I would show a bad result all I would get would be a "see there don't play that way" attitude.  I am happy to keep all results to myself now...That is why I wonder how many have actually played the systems live...as I have.

[shadowman]

Let me conclude by asking a couple of questions. (hopefully I can glean something useful from the responses)...
 
Have any of you, like me, actually used any of the strategies in question in live play?  
If yes...How did you do?  Which method did you use? (ie artt, rtt, etc...)
 
If no...How can you critique something that you haven't tried?
 
On my trip next week...I know how I'll be playing!!
 


 
More nonsense. Don't you ever give up. I don't need to play a progressive system to know that the progression would work sometimes and fail other times. All I have to is recall how events played out as I played and figure out what would have happened had I bet larger amounts as I played. There is nothing complicated about this.
 
BTW, crying about how the folks here commented on a silly progressive system that has been proven to be worthless for many years will not get you any sympathy. Supporting someone who would claim 40% flip-overs tells me everything I need to know.
 
 

[New2vp]

It's quite telling about the originally proposed theories of flipovers and ARTT play that(1) Fa La La La La.... La la la la has tried to change the argument from "5th card flipovers occur too often" to "I showed up!" and(2) the major argument of the postings under the screen name of rolanddude is now that "I really do exist!" [after seeing the adopted Fa La La La La.... La la la la theories about ARTT destroyed by math, logic, and simulations months ago and being caught in making up data (unless he is the unluckiest entity in the universe) and making up college degrees to bolster his expertise.  Of course, he is now re-trotting out ARTT as if it was not endlessly discussed and debunked with no support other than an unsubstantiated claim of making money after trying it a couple times.]I guess these new existential theories might be better argued on philosophy.com rather than videopoker.com since neither showing up nor simply existing help people too much in playing videopoker, but I admit it is entertaining in a pathetic sort of way.Riddle for the joke section:Q.  "How many of the 10 or more regular posters does it take to discredit these theories?"A.  "None.  They implode all by themselves due to lack of substance."

[EDC1977]

 
A few months back when I submitted my first post I really did think that I could learn something constructive from a site titled "videopoker.com".  Boy was I mistaken!  I came here with what was to me "a new idea" and recent success using this new way of play/money management.  I have only met up with RS twice in my life.  Both times I learned something useful to me and both times I had winning trips...for a change!  Change of Luck?  Change of Strategy?...who knows.  It worked for me!! 
 
roland, at some point in time, you have to ask yourself, They're not giving me the answers I seek. Why do I keep returning? I've said it before and I'll repeat it. If I know I'm gonna get kicked and beat, I'm sure the heck not gonna go back there again. With that fabulous "devil may care" VP system, you should be able to walk into ANY property and post a profit right? You know the variance and the math will round out anything a three card monte dealer tells you. It's nothing personal. Just let it go.

[EDC1977]

The ten is what rs claims is the actual number of real members here. HaHe. Just yes or no votes counted. No neutrals ED the cat. So Ed edit your post to a no or yes please.
Judging by the language in your post OEJ, I'd have to be put down as a "yes" since neither will be a "BFF" and no one need tell me the stories of robbie, here or elsewhere. roland, if you don't care to be called a "mouthpiece" or "shill", you'd best proofread and understand before hitting that "post reply" key.

[Eduardo]

Rolan i am sorry you were greeted with hostility if that is how it felt. But you have to realize you got yourself into that by ignoring some pretty simple arguments.
Here it is, in plain spainglish: Romp through a towno every day this montho and if the system is some great gimmick, you will rake in the pesos. But the truth is that if you romp enough you will be El Screwedo. Just like the math says. It's simple variance. And some people will be bitten before they win, so quitting while you are ahead some sessions doesn't justify the promotion of the system. It's really that simple, not some trade secret and nothing superior to anything else anyone says. That is why people don't have to try it before they critique it.
 
I wish you luck with it. Hopefully you only hit the plus side of the curve. But don't go telling people it's a better system when it could mean they actually lose more if they are on the unlucky side of the progression. That is irresonsible to promote positives without accounting for the negatives. The net gain for your system is exactly the same as betting the same amount all the time. Only the variance is different, which means with more frequent winners, you are balanced with larger losses at times.

[oej719]

Scarasmo? Eduardo, I thinko so. Let me knowo if I am wrongo.

[rolanddude]

OK...so far we have...cddenver         NOshadowman    NONew2vp           NOEd da Cat        NOEduardo           NOOej (via PM)     YES  but Rob was drunk and played every hand for me and                                 I lost, lost, lost.    BooWhooo BooWhoooNot many of you have given it a try I see.  The math proves it wrong you say.  Doesn't the math prove everything about winning at VP wrong?  Casinos sure hope so.  The question isn't whether the math can prove something that, by design, is not supposed to be beaten.  The question is can I somehow change the anticipated result by using timely bet variances.  After all...you math guys should know that if (for example) you lose or push 10 or more hands in a row that according to "math" you will probably hit a 3 to 1 or higher winner sooner rather than later....Math tells us that you will NEVER continue to play without that occasional trip, straight, flush, etc...It only makes sense that after a horrid 10+ hand losing streak that you increase your bet so that a modest hit gets you back to scratch or better...DUH   You don't have to use the systems verbatim...It was suggested to me to just play and be extremely aware of what was going on with every hand.   Yes, I know that one result does not guarantee another different result such as the ol' roulette tower BS.  I do know however that it is very hard to play 20 hands in VP without a trip or higher win!!!  The Math dictates that every so many hands it HAS to happen on average...If you can't rely on the term "on average" then you can throw away ALL MATH!!!   Use your heads...timing is everything!!!  It doesn't take thousands of hands per day to capitalize either.  It doesn't take hours of chasing something close to ER.   Instead of always trying to use math to disprove a playing method it might be advisable to try and use math to improve your playing method!I don't know how much more reasonable I can explain it to everyone...If you haven't played this or similar methods then you have no real life examples to draw from.  Only theories and useless BS.  By the way...here in Lady Lake, FL yesterday they predicted that today there would be a 30% chance of rain with 1/10th of an inch or less expected according to all the models, calculations, variations, computer simulations, etc using millions of dollars worth of data gathering equipment...Wow, I had a 7 out of 10 chance of enjoying a rain free day by the pool enjoying a cookout or something.  Boy am I sure glad I ignored the "Math" on this one...It started raining around 9AM this morning and it quit around 6PM with over 1 1/2 inches of rain.  Using Math/Expected Values, Returns and Results to predict events is just too unpredictable to predict with authority in the short term.  I am sure however, that by using math, 10 years from now some hot shot will be able to formulate that over this ten year stretch of time that rainfall was within an "expected range" for this area.   All the while he will completely ignore the fact that the daily predictions for the same area were askew miserably.  In some cases, such as today, off by 15 times the expected amount.   You see, when talking about the science of averages/percentages/expected returns...etc.  you have to keep in mind that over lots of time you can expect things to fall within an expected range.  But on a daily/short-term basis you cannot rely remotely on the sciences dealing with predictions...you have to be aware of your situation and know how to deal with it at that time.  It would have been alot more accurate for my local weatherman to use more basic, earthen tools and observations to predict yet another of many daily anomalies that happen in prediction sciences.  He could have simply looked at the tree's leaves curled up or even noticed the red sunrise (red in morning, sailor's warning) to more accurately predict the short-term.  Instead, he relied on his data, simulations, calculations and so on, totally ignoring what was obviously happening right in front of him......he is almost ALWAYS WRONG!!!  Reminds me alot of how most approach VP.