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Hi everyone. I am new here. I am a local in vegas and will start playing VP 10-20 hours a week. I recently won $46,000 progressive jackpot playing Pai Gow. So my bankroll is not the question, how to play it is. Do I play as l long as I can on one machine? go to different casinos. what would a win loss strategy be?
I am thinking I will be playing .25 DDB since its seems to be the easiest for me. I still take strategy cards with me but am working hard at that by using VP for winning players (I should note over 10,000 hands the numbers are not encouraging-Hence my questions)
If anyone can give me some ideas on going about this it would be much appreciated. Are there any good VP blogs out there that you can recommend?
Playing styles & loss/win stops
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bluandbrneyes
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oej719
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I would buy a foreclosed house there in vegas and wait 10 years for the value to go back up.
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royal flush
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go gold and use the trainer also vpfree.com for blog and to find good games
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EDC1977
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Most VP sites have a blog/BBS so thats up to your preference. One can burn 46K playing quarters. Don't think in terms of large profit either since only the extremely lucky can do this and not on a consistent basis. Having anyone tell you otherwise is just a scam. Find a game you like and learn it well. Find the best paytables you can (usually VPFree2) and play. There are professional VP players out there, just not in large numbers. Most are recreational AP's. Use caution and good luck in your endeavour.
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shadowman
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Hi everyone. I am new here. I am a local in vegas and will start playing VP 10-20 hours a week. I recently won $46,000 progressive jackpot playing Pai Gow. So my bankroll is not the question, how to play it is. Do I play as l long as I can on one machine? go to different casinos. what would a win loss strategy be?
I am thinking I will be playing .25 DDB since its seems to be the easiest for me. I still take strategy cards with me but am working hard at that by using VP for winning players (I should note over 10,000 hands the numbers are not encouraging-Hence my questions)
If anyone can give me some ideas on going about this it would be much appreciated. Are there any good VP blogs out there that you can recommend?
The first thing you should understand is what I call "the edge".
If you are going to play to win over time then you want to play well and play the game or games that give you the best edge. In order to maximize your edge you will probably need to play at multiple casinos. The reason for this is casinos usually limit bounce-back (BB) awards at some fixed coin-in value. For example, at South Point 20K coin-in gives a specific amount of BB. You need to get to 50K (or maybe higher now) to get to the next level. To maximize your BB you should schedule play at various casinos to reach that particular number. I used to play only on multiplier days at South Point until I reached the BB level I wanted and then I quit. I did this at several casinos.
First question, where in the Las Vegas area do you live? You probably don't want to drive around the entire valley. I can give some suggestions based on your location. You can PM me if you want to keep this private.
I am thinking I will be playing .25 DDB since its seems to be the easiest for me. I still take strategy cards with me but am working hard at that by using VP for winning players (I should note over 10,000 hands the numbers are not encouraging-Hence my questions)
If anyone can give me some ideas on going about this it would be much appreciated. Are there any good VP blogs out there that you can recommend?
The first thing you should understand is what I call "the edge".
If you are going to play to win over time then you want to play well and play the game or games that give you the best edge. In order to maximize your edge you will probably need to play at multiple casinos. The reason for this is casinos usually limit bounce-back (BB) awards at some fixed coin-in value. For example, at South Point 20K coin-in gives a specific amount of BB. You need to get to 50K (or maybe higher now) to get to the next level. To maximize your BB you should schedule play at various casinos to reach that particular number. I used to play only on multiplier days at South Point until I reached the BB level I wanted and then I quit. I did this at several casinos.
First question, where in the Las Vegas area do you live? You probably don't want to drive around the entire valley. I can give some suggestions based on your location. You can PM me if you want to keep this private.
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Eduardo
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10-20 hours a week is a lot.
If your plan is to be an extensive player like that, then i see no reason for loss/win stops for your sessions. Just do whatever feels best for your schedule. Basically you will be playing a lot of hands in that time and it will all be one big long session. Just because you break it up into chunks doesn't mean the outcome after 2 short sessions or one long one will be any different.
I suggest training well, reducing your "gambles" for long-run return, and finding the best places/promotions to play.
If you weren't planning on playing so much I might suggest a different approach but since you are obviously in this to play a lot, you want to do it smartly.
If your goal was to win $50,000 without playing a lot, that would be different. I might suggest ways of trying to accomplish that along with the odds of actually achieving it or goign broke. That would be much more of a "gamble."
But playing quarters for that duration, you should see ups and downs but steady improvement if you play your cards right.
If your plan is to be an extensive player like that, then i see no reason for loss/win stops for your sessions. Just do whatever feels best for your schedule. Basically you will be playing a lot of hands in that time and it will all be one big long session. Just because you break it up into chunks doesn't mean the outcome after 2 short sessions or one long one will be any different.
I suggest training well, reducing your "gambles" for long-run return, and finding the best places/promotions to play.
If you weren't planning on playing so much I might suggest a different approach but since you are obviously in this to play a lot, you want to do it smartly.
If your goal was to win $50,000 without playing a lot, that would be different. I might suggest ways of trying to accomplish that along with the odds of actually achieving it or goign broke. That would be much more of a "gamble."
But playing quarters for that duration, you should see ups and downs but steady improvement if you play your cards right.
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EDC1977
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I would also suggest contacting eduardo for his "RttH" program or "romp thru the Hilton." He's done this with some moderate sucess despite the odds against him.
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bluandbrneyes
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Thanks everybody! Shadowman, I am in the southwest. My thoughts are to play DDB VP 10/6 game as a first choices with my 2nd 3rd choices will be DW or Jokerwild (KK).
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shadowman
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The game is not necessarily the most important part of finding the largest edge. For the casinos you are considering look at cash back, bounce back and promotions. Determine how much you need to play the various casinos to achieve the best return.
I'll use the South Point example again. The CB is .3% (up to .9% on 3x point days). The BB is $120/month for $20K coin-in. That is .6%. That would give you a .9-1.5% return for your play. Now, if you play .25 10/6 DDB and you play around 800 hands/hour (you'll eventually get there if you aren't there now). That means you would be gambling $1000/hour and it would take 20 hours to achieve the BB numbers I mentioned. I doubt you really want to gamble 20 hours in one day to get to the 1.5% return. Not only that, but you're return is only $15/hour for your effort (plus comps).
Now, consider another option. South Point also has SDB at 99.7%. The game itself is pretty close to DDB and shouldn't take that long to learn. However, they have 5-play SDB. You would probably be able to play about 600 DEALT hands/hour. Each DEALT hand is $6.25. That means you are investing $3750/hour with a return of about 1.2%. That's about $45/hour and would take less than 6 hours to complete the full $20K coin-in.
Notice that you would be earning 3x the dollars/hour. However, overall you will earn a little less money from South Point than you would playing DDB. The key is you can then spend the extra 14 hours earning money at another casino.
I hope I haven't lost you. Maybe you're not interested in getting this technical to begin with, but if you really want to optimize your time and maximize you winnings, this is the way to go.
Don't get me wrong. You may want to start out slowly and get your "sea legs" so to speak. That is fine. What I'm talking about is an eventual goal and a way to start thinking so you can reach that goal.
Since you're Southwest I guess I'd say South Point is one casino you should consider. I'd also investigate M and Silverton. Also, Palms is not that far away either but you'd probably want to eventually play FPDW if you want to stay at quarters. If you're more to the west than Rampart is another option as is Red Rock (stations). I'd also check out the Orleans (Boyd).
I haven't been playing in Las Vegas since last March so things may have changed. You'll need to check everything out for yourself.
I'll use the South Point example again. The CB is .3% (up to .9% on 3x point days). The BB is $120/month for $20K coin-in. That is .6%. That would give you a .9-1.5% return for your play. Now, if you play .25 10/6 DDB and you play around 800 hands/hour (you'll eventually get there if you aren't there now). That means you would be gambling $1000/hour and it would take 20 hours to achieve the BB numbers I mentioned. I doubt you really want to gamble 20 hours in one day to get to the 1.5% return. Not only that, but you're return is only $15/hour for your effort (plus comps).
Now, consider another option. South Point also has SDB at 99.7%. The game itself is pretty close to DDB and shouldn't take that long to learn. However, they have 5-play SDB. You would probably be able to play about 600 DEALT hands/hour. Each DEALT hand is $6.25. That means you are investing $3750/hour with a return of about 1.2%. That's about $45/hour and would take less than 6 hours to complete the full $20K coin-in.
Notice that you would be earning 3x the dollars/hour. However, overall you will earn a little less money from South Point than you would playing DDB. The key is you can then spend the extra 14 hours earning money at another casino.
I hope I haven't lost you. Maybe you're not interested in getting this technical to begin with, but if you really want to optimize your time and maximize you winnings, this is the way to go.
Don't get me wrong. You may want to start out slowly and get your "sea legs" so to speak. That is fine. What I'm talking about is an eventual goal and a way to start thinking so you can reach that goal.
Since you're Southwest I guess I'd say South Point is one casino you should consider. I'd also investigate M and Silverton. Also, Palms is not that far away either but you'd probably want to eventually play FPDW if you want to stay at quarters. If you're more to the west than Rampart is another option as is Red Rock (stations). I'd also check out the Orleans (Boyd).
I haven't been playing in Las Vegas since last March so things may have changed. You'll need to check everything out for yourself.
