VP Deal/Draw Card Sequence

[BillyJoe]

OK, I'm now getting conflicting info on how cards are selected in VP. I was total that the RNG "sets" the cards like in a "shoe" when the Deal button is pushed. The RNG then starts again, and "sets" the remaining cards in a "shoe" for the draw. In this way, you may get different cards on your draw, depending on when you hit the Draw button.

I talked with an IGT Tech today at my local Indian casino in Tampa. He told me that the entire "shoe" is set when you hit Deal, including replacement cards for the ones that you discard. In this way, it makes no difference how fast or slow you select and draw.
Does anyone, maybe WebMan, know which is correct?

[cddenver]

I talked with an IGT Tech today at my local Indian casino in Tampa. He told me that the entire "shoe" is set when you hit Deal, including replacement cards for the ones that you discard. In this way, it makes no difference how fast or slow you select and draw.
Does anyone, maybe WebMan, know which is correct?


 
The info you got from the IGT tech is not correct for modern machines.  What the tech described is the way card selection was done when VP first came out many years ago.  All ten cards would be set when the "Deal" button was pressed, with five cards displayed and a card underneath every displayed card.  For a draw, any unheld cards would be removed, uncovering the cards beneath.   So pushing the button at different times for the draw made absolutely no difference at all.  With modern machines the first five cards are generated when you press the "Deal" button, and the RNG continues running until you actually do the draw, generating and discarding numbers thousands of times each second while you're perusing the dealt hand and deciding what to hold and what to discard. 
 
For a given dealt hand you'll get different cards on the draw depending on the dealing style the machine uses, but it averages out.   One of the drawing methods might help you on one hand and hurt you on the next.  With a constantly running RNG, the same thing goes for pushing the button at different times.  Waiting an extra second to push that button for a draw will give you different cards then if you hadn't waited, but it's equally likely that waiting will give you a worse result than if you hadn't waited. 

[Webman]

It also depends on whether these are class 2 "Bingo" machines or class 3 machines. If you are talking about modern class 3 machines, then they behave as cddenver describes. These are the machines that most people are used to and what you find all over Vegas, Atlantic City, etc.If they are "bingo" machines then it's a different story. I believe Florida is one of the places that has the Bingo machines in some places, so we would have to know more details to be sure. Bingo machines are marked as such if you know what to look for, and in places where class 3 machines might not be approved.

[BillyJoe]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. You are right, WebMan, they used to have Class II machines on the Florida reservations that ran a "Bingo" game at the same time. This was to side-step the then-current law, which allowed Bingo only. In that case, you were supposedly playing Bingo, and a VP game broke out.
Currently, the Seminole's have gained approval for Class III slots, which is the type of the few VP machines that are at the Hard Rock in Tampa.
I thought my original understanding was correct, which is why I raised the question. So if you think you missed that flush because the first card you see on the draw was the club you needed from the four-card club flush on the deal, it probably wouldn't have been that card anyway, because the RNG is faster than you are, and is always changing that next card.   

[marie meijer]

billyjoe, Mark Pilarski addresses your question in his today's CASINO column in PLAY Detroit Free Press Dec 3, 2009. Log on: www.freep.com/pilarski  Click on "Payout goes to highest combo" and "When are cards dealt?" is the second question he answers today. For more info on this prolific gaming writer and his books Deal Me In and More Deal Me In, log on Mark Pilarski.

[BillyJoe]

Thanks, Marie. I checked out the article. Timely, huh. It sounds like he is echoing what was said earlier, that the newer machines keep the RNG running until the "draw" button is hit, and then it deals the replacement cards as if out of a "shoe".

[shadowman]

One thing to keep in mind is that there are still old machines out there. So, there are still machines that deal out 10 cards. The change occurred with the Game King platform for IGT. If the casino still has older machines then the tech could have been correct.

[spxChrome]

Its funny how you hear it(constant running RNG) from players but when you ask the manufac. they all say the deck stops.  They told me the same thing when I asked. 
 
But its a slight difference.  They said that the deck stops, but the cards are NOT under the initial deal but the cards are pealed from the top and replaced. 
 
Their reasoning was that this is the only way to duplicate "real life" play.  Which makes sense because every live game I have ever played in we don't shuffle the deck while your thinking, throwing away or drawing.  The deck stops, you get cards, throw-em away and pull-em from the top of the deck.
 
Then again their are also people who believe the RNG is random and at the same time the payout % is guaranteed.  
 
 
 

[jm002546]

  It's guaranteed with an infinite number of hands played, so it's just a concept.  If you play one hand there is usually no way to receive the exact expected payoff.