right play or wrong play????

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kjohn
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Re: right play or wrong play????

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So CK if you were dealt the hand I was 34AAA which kicker would you hold?  In this case the 6 would have been dealt first followed by the forth A, so I would have lost the 800..Guess that's why they call it gambling....Do you also hold the three low card instead of a FH....222KK  or 33366  etc...when playing TDB....How about on DDB....

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Thats about all I play is TDB 9/7 and I've even gone to the extreme to break up a paying two pair to pull for quads.  Such as JJ & 33 I will toss the JJ.  I don't do it all the time but what my gut says.  i decided to try this after looking back at all my photos of Jackpots and over 80% of them were a two draw.  Hardly ever did I hit the case card.  I had more dealts than pulling the case.  It normally does not work out but I've hit it a few times this year.  Three of the time it just happend to be with a pair of JJ so thats kind of my clue now to let it all hang out.
 
Same goes for Aces, they always all seem to be a two draw.  I once hit a stretch were I was dealt trip aces 400 times and only drew the 4th ace 2 times.  It that same time span odds say I should have hit quads 16 times.  You multiple that by $800
 
You just never know, I seen a lady one night get quad aces 3 hands in a row., thats right back to back to back.  I wouldnt believe it if she wasnt sitting right next to me. It was an old IGT $1 coin game and they had to hand pay her each time.

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Post by damule »

kjohn,
 
Your philosophy of the next card would have been a 6, so you would have lost, is flawed. The RNG is continuously shuffling the remaining undealt cards until the draw button is pressed. So, unless you somehow pressed the draw button at the same nanosecond in time after holding 4 cards instead of 3 from the deal, the RNG would not have drawn cards in the same sequence.
 
 
 
spx,
 
To hold a non-paying pair of 3's in any game, including TDB, over 2 pair or the paying pair of jacks is just plain stupid. Not saying you're stupid, but that's a stupid strategy. The casinos were built by gamblers making gut decisions rather than educated ones. I'd give you the pass if you said you held the jacks instead of the 3's, at least the offset is much lower.
 
 
 
ck,
 
I know you hold the kickers in TDB, that's the right move. I've also seen your jackpot pics. Your luck is something all of us wish we had. That's part of the reason I prefer DDB above TDB, I don't have the balls of steel it takes to hold the kickers. Also, I hate the 3oak in TDB, I feel terribly cheated by the 2-1 vs 3-1 payout.

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KJ asked,So CK if you were dealt the hand I was 34AAA which kicker would you hold?  A.  I would have held the 3 because my Native American heritage demands that the teepees be in perfect alignment.Do you also hold the three low card instead of a FH....222KK  or 33366  etc...when playing TDB....A.  I always play the "best hand dealt".  I would hold the full house, unless it were Aces.How about on DDB....A.  I don't recall ever holding a kicker in DDB.Please note all of the above is subject to change, depending on the volume of the voices screaming inside my head.

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kjohn,
 To hold a non-paying pair of 3's in any game, including TDB, over 2 pair or the paying pair of jacks is just plain stupid. Not saying you're stupid, but that's a stupid strategy. The casinos were built by gamblers making gut decisions rather than educated ones. I'd give you the pass if you said you held the jacks instead of the 3's, at least the offset is much lower.

 
I agree its a stupid move, but for the 5 times it worked out = $10,000 for the maybe 100 times I tried it.  -$1000 I'd say it's paid off.  And it can't be that bad of a play.  If your odds of turning a pair into Quads are 1 in 360.  I am a short-term player, but your right I would not recommend it if your not comfortable with risking the $5.

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Post by damule »

spx,
 
The difference in expected return is over 50%, so it's not even close. But I'm glad to hear you've had good fortune with that strategy so far.

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Post by kjohn »

CK I like the idea of those Teepees all being a a row...I'll remember that strategy next time I play.. :)  I think I'm a bit like Mule...I counted the times I missed the extra credit on the TDB for the 3ok and in less than an hour it was huge...Especially on Trip play...I'll probably just stick to the DDB unless it's a TDB progressive in which case I'll go for broke...spx you are a real gambler.....I watched a gal at GVR playing $1 DDB TP and she played like you...Help totally WRONG plays and kept winning...She was the hand pay queen...So sitting right next to her I was playing $.50 TP and tried some of the same moves...Might as well have just handed her my money...and gone to bed....Didn't win a thing...Who knows...

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Post by damule »

spx,
 
Another question, if you don't mind, out of curiousity: In TDB or DDB, do you hold 4 to the flush or the low pair? An example would be 3c,3h,7h,9h,Qh when the c is clubs and the h is hearts. I think you see where I'm going with this.

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Post by kjohn »

I use to always go for the flush but lately I've held the pair if it's 2,3, or 4..I think on the practice sites they always go for the flush but I've seen others hit the quads or a FH enough that I switched...So far I haven't hit the quad but I have gotten TOK, two pairs and FH's enough that I think it makes up for the lose of a flush...Personally, leaving all the strategy behind a lot depends on your bank roll, your mood, attitude, and if you are just playing for fun or trying to make a living..Sometimes I hold something that I know Dancer would  not approve of and come out ahead...Sometimes NOT....The play that just drives me nuts and makes me wonder about random,,,,Is  KQJ8(same suit)8 different suit...Three to a royal, four to a flush and a low pair...Even if it was a high pair it's sure tempting to go for the Royal....I tried it many times and low and behold once got the royal...So all the times I may have missed the other winning plays were offset by the big win....

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Post by jm002546 »

Actually, Dancer very much approves your making these incorrect plays.  The casino can then afford to pay winners like him.

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