VP-Which Machine Will You Play?

[brmcc74]

VP MACHINES DO CYCLE! (hot and cold) So why not move if you feel that your machine is cold or just toying with you. Yes all vp machines are random but they also run hot and cold. If you think otherwise then you are only fooling yourself. my vote for post of the week

[shadowman]

VP MACHINES DO CYCLE! (hot and cold) So why not move if you feel that your machine is cold or just toying with you. Yes all vp machines are random but they also run hot and cold. If you think otherwise then you are only fooling yourself.
 OK, I must be fooling myself. Please explain this. An RNG can generate hundreds of thousands of hands every second. We select only one of those hands every few seconds. A quad show up about every 425 hands. Therefore, on average there are about 200-400 quads (or more) available for us to select every second. How does the machine prevent us from selecting those available quads?

[mdmick67]

You are right Shadowman, A quad should show up about every 425 hands. (should is the word) But have you ever noticed that sometimes they come up a lot more then the math would suggest. At other times you can play 1000 hands without ever seeing one quad, where are they? HOT AND COLD CYCLES.

[onemoretry]

You are right Shadowman, A quad should show up about every 425 hands. (should is the word) But have you ever noticed that sometimes they come up a lot more then the math would suggest. At other times you can play 1000 hands without ever seeing one quad, where are they? HOT AND COLD CYCLES.


The math does not suggest that a quad "should" show up about every 425 hands.
 
It does suggest that, over a large number of hands played, a quad will have occurred, on average, about once every 425 hands.  The math does not suggest there won't be spells where the quad success rate is a lot better than that, nor others where it's a lot worse.  Going 1000 hands without a quad is not a significant statistical aberration.
 
Applying the term cycles to this fluctation, which is a result of the randomness of the card selection  process is, in my opinion, wrong.
 
A cycle is repetitive, and somewhat predictable.  In fact, use of the term in this instance implies that cycles are programmed into the machines. 
 
Most players do not believe this to be the case.

[mightwin]

I, too, usually move after hitting a quad.  But I'm glad I stayed on that machine recently for a few more hands.  Staring back at me (after hearing the jackpot music and growling) was a dealt royal - on my machine. 
 
It seems like some days - no matter which machine I pick, I can't win.  Other days - no matter which machine I pick, I win and win.  Those are my favorite days - the winning ones.
 
Good luck to all.

[mdmick67]

Originally posted by mdmick67

VP MACHINES DO CYCLE! (hot and cold) So why not move if you feel that your machine is cold or just toying with you. Yes all vp machines are random but they also run hot and cold. If you think otherwise then you are only fooling yourself.

Ok now you got me started.... My original post was noting to the fact that vp machines do run hot and cold.

I play for the short term only. I don't go in the casino's and sit at a cold machine for hours waiting for it to get hot once again. Trust me I know what the math says, I played that way for years, fooling myself into believing if I just stay at it I will be a winner someday ha ha. Even adding in a the freebie's I was still loosing.

I turned my loosing into winning at Video Poker 2 1/2 years ago, I don't even count all the free stuff now, that's just icing on the cake.

NO AND I'M NOT Fa la la la la... la la la... la. using a alias, (hope this don't get me kicked off the forum) I do however personally know the man real well. In fact I first met Rob in Shreveport, LA and sat with him for hours discussing his play strategies and sitting a few machines going over a lot of his special plays... I still talk with him over the phone and in emails all the time. A call the man a friend of mine.

I do enjoy this site and reading all the posts on the forums, always interested in what others have to say when it comes to VP.

I better end this before I say something that might get me kicked off of here lol

Good Luck To Y'all

[spxChrome]

 
"If you are playing Roulette and see there have been 15 Red numbers in a row which color are you gonna bet on, Red or Black?"
 
 The fact that there have been 15 reds in a row has nothing to do with how the next play will turn out.
 
Yup, but that is mentality for you.  You also have some people who think when they get to spin the $1 Wheel of Fortune they have a 1 in 22 shot of winning the $1,000.  And you also have some people who buy stocks based on earnings and not cash flow.

[spxChrome]

[QUOTE=mdmick67] Going 1000 hands without a quad is not a significant statistical aberration.
 
 
You got that right, try my last 3 trips ended with about 15,000 hands and only 4 quads 2 of which were dealt.

[spxChrome]

[QUOTE=mdmick67]VP MACHINES DO CYCLE! (hot and cold) So why not move if you feel that your machine is cold or just toying with you. Yes all vp machines are random but they also run hot and cold. If you think otherwise then you are only fooling yourself. my vote for post of the week[/QUOTE]
 
I believe machines cycle, but I don't speak from the math only what I expeirence.  And if the machine payback% is to high at the end of several months it just disappears from the casino floor.

[brmcc74]

Excatly. I prefer to call it a hot cylce when I win like 1550 credits off of 4 4oaks within 100 hands played.
Then I prefer to call it a cold cycle when I play 10000 hands without a 4 oak. I understand the math also and that the paytable is the basis of % payback. If you just had an unlucky bastard play vp compulsively through numerous cycles and he is down 20000 credits(no idea how many hands played), its hard to sell them the fact that its all random.
Let me put it this way= RNG is random but YES it is POSSIBLE that you can go to the casino for everyday for the rest of your life and have losing sessions. This is FACT. I dont care how well you play. If the hits dont come up.......you lose. Youre actually hoping to have a good session. Theres no guarantee. Maybe the RF or quads will come.......maybe not. Its over a period of time what the machine WILL PAY, just maybe not to you. Thank you