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Tomcat1569
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STP Jackpot Question
One of my friends in Vegas often texts me images of winning VP hands he gets. Usually it's a decent paying hand, maybe a few hundred bucks at most but nothing incredible since he's mostly a nickel denom player. Then I receive this image the other night of a jackpot he hit at Palace Station. He managed to hit the Holy Grail of Super Times Pay hands ... a 10x Royal Flush for $2,000. After congratulating him and also feeling somewhat envious of his win, I took a closer look at the hand. Turns out he held A-10 suited, a hold you'd never normally make playing proper strategy. My question is: if the potential payoff is high enough, is a deviation from normal strategy warranted? It obviously worked for him here. If not, what is he giving up by holding A-10 as opposed to just the single Ace he should have held in DDB?
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Lucky Larry
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Tomcat,
Congrats to your friend. Hey nickels are the denomination for many of us. When I play DDB, I wouldn't normally hold the A-10 but with a 10X it obviously was the right move this time.
vpgenius doesn't show much deviation from A and A-10.
Congrats to your friend. Hey nickels are the denomination for many of us. When I play DDB, I wouldn't normally hold the A-10 but with a 10X it obviously was the right move this time.
vpgenius doesn't show much deviation from A and A-10.
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Tomcat1569
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Larry, thanks for your kind reply. I know he'll be rubbing it in when I see him later this week because I always groan when I see him make this hold!
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roveer
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As many know, I'm an avid STP player but at the 1 dollar denom. That is my holy grail as well or better yet, a dealt royal in 10 handed with our w/out a multiplier!!!
I too will deviate from accepted stratedgy when looking at a high multiplier when it comes to making a RF. I wouldn't say it happens that often so i don't think it really affects me that muhc over the long run, but once in a while I will go with my gut hoping to make some magic happen.
Would love to see some of that STP magic here in AC... Let's hope I can someday post one of those pics myself.
I too will deviate from accepted stratedgy when looking at a high multiplier when it comes to making a RF. I wouldn't say it happens that often so i don't think it really affects me that muhc over the long run, but once in a while I will go with my gut hoping to make some magic happen.
Would love to see some of that STP magic here in AC... Let's hope I can someday post one of those pics myself.
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Tomcat1569
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Tomcat,
Congrats to your friend. Hey nickels are the denomination for many of us. When I play DDB, I wouldn't normally hold the A-10 but with a 10X it obviously was the right move this time.
vpgenius doesn't show much deviation from A and A-10.
Larry, Just checked vpgenius and I see what you mean ... it's about an 0.20 difference in return between A and A-10. Still, I don't think it will make me change the way I play although I will certainly consider it next time I am confronted with a similar scenario!
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Tomcat1569
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As many know, I'm an avid STP player but at the 1 dollar denom. That is my holy grail as well or better yet, a dealt royal in 10 handed with our w/out a multiplier!!!
I too will deviate from accepted stratedgy when looking at a high multiplier when it comes to making a RF. I wouldn't say it happens that often so i don't think it really affects me that muhc over the long run, but once in a while I will go with my gut hoping to make some magic happen.
Would love to see some of that STP magic here in AC... Let's hope I can someday post one of those pics myself.
Roveer, I hope so, too. Had another rough AC trip this past weekend ... several near-misses but just couldn't hit the big draws. Heading to Vegas this coming week where I've tended to do better lately
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shadowman
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The chances of hitting a RF holding AT is 1 in 16,215. The chances of hitting 4 aces holding only an ace is 1 in 5405.
You can hit 4 aces holding AT but you miss out on 32 out of the 33 combinations available holding just the ace. Once again there is only 1 chance in 16,215.
From the looks of this a player would be giving up hitting quad aces 3 times for every RF and one set of aces they hit holding AT. That's 6,000 credits vs. the 6,000 credits (both multiplied by 10x in this case). Pretty much a wash and that's probably why the returns are so close. You do hit one more hand pay, if that is meaningful, holding only the ace.
You can hit 4 aces holding AT but you miss out on 32 out of the 33 combinations available holding just the ace. Once again there is only 1 chance in 16,215.
From the looks of this a player would be giving up hitting quad aces 3 times for every RF and one set of aces they hit holding AT. That's 6,000 credits vs. the 6,000 credits (both multiplied by 10x in this case). Pretty much a wash and that's probably why the returns are so close. You do hit one more hand pay, if that is meaningful, holding only the ace.
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roveer
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The chances of hitting a RF holding AT is 1 in 16,215. The chances of hitting 4 aces holding only an ace is 1 in 5405.
You can hit 4 aces holding AT but you miss out on 32 out of the 33 combinations available holding just the ace. Once again there is only 1 chance in 16,215.
From the looks of this a player would be giving up hitting quad aces 3 times for every RF and one set of aces they hit holding AT. That's 6,000 credits vs. the 6,000 credits (both multiplied by 10x in this case). Pretty much a wash and that's probably why the returns are so close. You do hit one more hand pay, if that is meaningful, holding only the ace.
Let me add another perspective. When I'm playing long duration (which I do, 10-12 hours) I see so many aces and most of the time hold them instintively. When you do that for so long you almost become numb to the quad ace factor and it can at times become acceptable to try somthing different. The thinking becomes "what the heck, it's only 1 hand out of thousands". I've found myself at times holding 2 RF cards to a single ace and god forbid I wind up with 3oak and start thinking "what if that was going to be quads... When I read this response I had to think for a second about the quads which tells me that they can at times be as elusive as RF's
You can hit 4 aces holding AT but you miss out on 32 out of the 33 combinations available holding just the ace. Once again there is only 1 chance in 16,215.
From the looks of this a player would be giving up hitting quad aces 3 times for every RF and one set of aces they hit holding AT. That's 6,000 credits vs. the 6,000 credits (both multiplied by 10x in this case). Pretty much a wash and that's probably why the returns are so close. You do hit one more hand pay, if that is meaningful, holding only the ace.
Let me add another perspective. When I'm playing long duration (which I do, 10-12 hours) I see so many aces and most of the time hold them instintively. When you do that for so long you almost become numb to the quad ace factor and it can at times become acceptable to try somthing different. The thinking becomes "what the heck, it's only 1 hand out of thousands". I've found myself at times holding 2 RF cards to a single ace and god forbid I wind up with 3oak and start thinking "what if that was going to be quads... When I read this response I had to think for a second about the quads which tells me that they can at times be as elusive as RF's
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shadowman
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The game I play most of the time is one where holding the AT is the correct play by a long shot since quad aces pay a whopping 75 credits. So, I have hit several royals over the years holding AT but I know they are few and far between. I would just hold the ace playing DDB but each to their own.
In fact, in the game I play I occasionally hold a single ten (it's better than an ace) and have hit 2 RFs with that hold. It was always interesting to see the look on people's faces when they looked at the machine while I was waiting to be paid.
In fact, in the game I play I occasionally hold a single ten (it's better than an ace) and have hit 2 RFs with that hold. It was always interesting to see the look on people's faces when they looked at the machine while I was waiting to be paid.
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Tomcat1569
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The chances of hitting a RF holding AT is 1 in 16,215. The chances of hitting 4 aces holding only an ace is 1 in 5405.
You can hit 4 aces holding AT but you miss out on 32 out of the 33 combinations available holding just the ace. Once again there is only 1 chance in 16,215.
From the looks of this a player would be giving up hitting quad aces 3 times for every RF and one set of aces they hit holding AT. That's 6,000 credits vs. the 6,000 credits (both multiplied by 10x in this case). Pretty much a wash and that's probably why the returns are so close. You do hit one more hand pay, if that is meaningful, holding only the ace.
Thanks for the mathematical analysis, Shadowman. This is what I was looking for. It surprises me somewhat that the returns for A vs. A-10 are so close when many other big paying combos (especially 2s, 3s, and 4s with kicker) are eliminated by holding A-10!
