Thanksgiving Thoughts

[New2vp]

 I've seen several. Simple little programs really. Excellent point.  Some presume that if they do not understand something, then nobody does.  Certainly, that is not generally the wisest counsel.

[Frank Kneeland]

[QUOTE=shadowman] I've seen several. Simple little programs really. Excellent point.  Some presume that if they do not understand something, then nobody does.  Certainly, that is not generally the wisest counsel.

[/QUOTE]I don't understand.

[New2vp]

I don't understand....but you might know someone who does!

[New2vp]

Frank, by the way, I don't know if you saw a response that I gave to you in the  Talk to me about DDB... thread under Video Poker Strategy re: your request for definition of Long Term.  It looks like you got your answer on the other forum (vpFREE).  Most of those responses were consistent with the answer that shadowman gave you clairvoyantly prior to you asking the question, something like Carnac the Magnificent used to do.

[shadowman]

The envelope please ....

[Frank Kneeland]

Frank, by the way, I don't know if you saw a response that I gave to you in the  Talk to me about DDB... thread under Video Poker Strategy re: your request for definition of Long Term.  It looks like you got your answer on the other forum (vpFREE).  Most of those responses were consistent with the answer that shadowman gave you clairvoyantly prior to you asking the question, something like Carnac the Magnificent used to do.

No I had not seen it. I mostly only peruse threads where I've commented. I don't remember commenting in that one.I guess the bigger question is: Did Shadowman keep the answer in a disused mayonnaise jar under Funk and Wagnalls' porch for three days. If not, the answer is invalid.Thanks...

[jim18]

Moving right along, can we keep the posts informative and interesting?  You bet we can!A typo, a misspelled word, or a spoonerism, what difference does it make.  A mistake is a mistake, I suppose.  Let’s try to not make this topic about me.Let me be clear, as some folks seem to be missing my point, or they are just plain dense.  I do not know what a RNG looks like. I do not believe that the average gambler knows what a RNG looks like.  While I do not understand why this is surprising or upsetting to VP experts, I accept this as the way they are.  For, if they have seen a RNG, or studied how it works, then they expect that all of us have the same expertise or life experience.  This as I see it is insanity in motion.A player can accept that the RNG exists, without understanding how it works.  A player can accept that others may understand such things without feeling inferior to those that do understand such things.  A play can accept that the RNG is random.  A player with imagination can look at the results he is getting on a machine, and say that the machine is going through a cold spell.  An expert can look at the same setting and say that the player is going through a cold spell.This contradiction can be solved when we change our wording from “a cold spell” to lucky.  Luck can be good or bad.  Luck can be by accident or chance.  Accident = picking the wrong machine to play.  Chance = RNG.  Luck applies to a person as it is a personal thing.When I am playing a VP machine and not getting the results that I expect, I can not say that the machine is unlucky.  However, most players believe that they are allowed to say that the machine is going through a cold spell, as the player is not doing anything specific to restrict the payback of the machine.  A player realizes that this is a necessary part of playing the game.  There must be many losing hands to offset a few large payoffs.And when the expert tells the player that the player is wrong.  That what is happening is not the fault of the machine (RNG), but a stage that the player is going through, what can the player say in response?  Obviously, this player sees the expert as having crossed the invisible line between imagination and insanity.  In conclusion, when I am doing well at a machine, then I am lucky.  And when the machine is not performing to my expectations, then the machine is going through a cold spell.  Experts do not understand this.  And since they do not understand this, they think it can not be as I have said it is.

[edog743]

Jim are you Backsliders kin? you sound just like him. As far as staying on topic you are the one who led this thread astray. Someone wished everyone a happy thanksgiving. You decided to vent about your displeasure about society not anyone else but you so deal with it.

[Frank Kneeland]

I think there's something jim18is missing. You're focusing on the randomness of VP hands and not their independent nature. RNG's generate "independent random events".Therefore to people who do understand RNG's, cold streaks are not even streaks because independent events are not related to each other simply because they occurred in a row. Things without order cannot come in a row, even if they do.Yes, I understand this is hard to understand, but try. The hands you play on Monday are not anymore or any less related to each other because they all happened on the same day than any other hands you've played on any of the not-Monday's in your past.You're applying linear logic to something that has no order. If you can understand that, then you understand randomness. Most cannot understand this and so settle for sticking the square pegs of randomness into the round holes of their mind. It's far from a good fit.Today has no meaning in the world of independent random events. To argue over who's right and who's wrong would be pointless. I'd rather focus on the effects of such thinking. Applying linear thinking to random events will cause many people to make bad decisions where random events are concerned. Therefore it should be discouraged.The Book, "The Drunkards Walk" covers all this and more, I suggest reading it for anyone interested in the subject.

[jim18]

Edog743I guess I must agree with you, that I am off topic, at this point in time.However, a number of posts recently seemed to be off topic in the sense that they were about me, and not about what message I was writing about, or about what others were saying on this thread.  In that sense, I felt that people had gotten off topic.As the postings take a turn in a certain direction, I think I am then following the past recent posts and making a response.  Rather than going back to the original post and only focusing on that message.For example, someone made the statement that machines do not get cold.  Rather, it is the player that gets cold or hot.  Part of me thinks that this sounds OK, while the rest of me thinks this is so wrong. So, in my last post, I tried to explain how I felt about this topic, which I agree with you was not associated with  the original post.  My crime seems to be that I responded to what was already posted on this topic.  Regardless of what has been already posted by me or others, I feel that when the posting is mainly about a typo, misspelled word, or the use of a word that sounds similar to the intended word, then that post has next to no value to anyone reading it.Let me say it differently.  I am here for entertainment and education.  If I spend 45 minutes writing a post, then I kind of feel slighted if the response to my posting is one or two sentences, speaking not about the content of what I have written, but about a mistake that I made in spelling, within my response.Of course, that is just my opinion.  Your opinion can be 180 degrees different from my own.  I have no way to measure which opinion is more right.  I can only see postings from a filter made up of life’s experiences.  I do not think that everyone should be expected to see a posting from the same viewpoint.Would it not be nice and worthwhile if each posting was worth reading.  A posting that simply says nice hand, or I agree does what to continue the conversation?