RF On A MG Machine??????

[MarySB]

I just got back from a week in Vegas and I play VP exclusively. On the "long" flight back to the East Coast I was thinking (ever see the comedian George Wallace? ("I be thinking") Well., I be thinking on flight back.
 
I am going to make several assumptions (ain't I brave) that leads into a few questions. So, if my assumptions are incorrect then ignore my question.
 
Let's assume that I am playing a VP machine with Multiple Games. Let me also assume that I can expect approx 25 RFs over the next million hands played. My third assumption is that the machine has a "chip" or is in someway "programed"  and/or has "software" that will deal out approx 25 RF's over the next one million hands.
 
My question is: Is the expected 25 RF's over the next one million hands played pertain to each individual game or is it 25 RF's over the next one million hands played on this machine combined?  In other words if I was to play 10 different games for 100,000 plays (on the same machine) each could I reasonably expect to see approx 25 RF's after one million hands played? 
 
 A second question is: If this MG VP machine has (as most do) multiple denominations, is the machine pre-programed to have x number of RF's per denomination or is it programed to be random? Meaning it may give up 25 RF's over the next million hands played and all or any part of the 25 may be any denomination.
 
Final question: Is each machine programed individually or are machines programed by banks? Are all machines of the same type programed so that one one individual machine may never hit a RF but others in the bank may hit several within a short period time?
 
Darn...........all this "I be thinking" gives me a headache!!!!!
 
 

[faygo]

 
 
. My third assumption is that the machine has a "chip" or is in someway "programed"  and/or has "software" that will deal out approx 25 RF's over the next one million hands.
 
 
 

 
Mary, Mary this is the assumption that makes your questions invalid.  The" chip" within a VP machine has only one function and that is to pick random numbers, from the number of different combinations possible from a  52 card deck,  that equate to the 5 cards you see. There  isn't any secondary programming  that controls how many Royals one would get in a million hands. Theorectically you may not get one in a million or a million in a million. The chip has no memory of what it did the last time you activated a selection to happen.
One might go as far to say the "chip" (RNG) is as dumb as a box of rocks.

[MarySB]

If there is a stated payback (ex. %100.17) some something has to control the amount of payback. I don't see how the overall payback can be random over the long (1 million plays) haul if there is a stated payback.
 
What controls/guarantees the stated payback?

[shadowman]

If there is a stated payback (ex. %100.17) some something has to control the amount of payback. I don't see how the overall payback can be random over the long (1 million plays) haul if there is a stated payback.
 
What controls/guarantees the stated payback?

 
The paytable. The various results will occur based on the statistical averages. By adjusting the paytables you adjust the expected return. For example, a full house occurs about once every 100 hands on average. So, by increasing or decreasing the payout for a full house by one bet unit you increase or decrease the return by 1%.
 
BTW, nothing "guarantees" the payback. Since most people don't play optimal strategy the actual return of games will be below the stated payback. If you've ever seen the advertisements for some of the high paying games in casinos you will always see the following ... "based on optimal play".

[Frank Kneeland]

There are two factors that control the return of all games in casinos. 1. How much you get. 2, How often you get it.We call this frequency and amount. The combination of the two calculates the return. Since on VP machines the casinos are limited to a 52 card deck in areas with Nevada like rules the only factor they can alter to change machine return is amount. The frequency of hands is determined by what one can get drawing to a 52 card deck.~FK

[backsider]

Mary, I will submit a different point of view that some may scoff at but no one can prove wrong. Ive read up on a lot of info from different people and sources on this subject, and its just a lot of opinions, feelings, and mostly hoping. Up until this past year I always believed everything was random and you get what you get. I dont any more after reading what some people say about it. I believe things inside that little rascal are programed to do certain things at certain times. People will say thats crazy because the bosses will get jailed and the casinos will be closed down or whatever. Pure nonsense. Have you ever heard of a major casino being shut down because of anything? These things, even if  illegal or unpopular (and nobody can prove that they are even when they post the supposedly complete Nv. regulatory information theyre fed on the internet) dont happen because of business and taxes and employment and a lot of other things that happen to be outside the scope of thinking of the believers. What ever you believe, just have fun playing like I do and dont worry about frequencies or possibilities. Enjoy the wins and curse the losses! 

[shadowman]

The casinos buy their machines from companies like IGT who gain nothing from programming machines to break the law. The casinos do not program the machines and it would require pulling the chips that are sealed to prevent exactly this activity. Every action on a machine is tracked through the gaming commission by law. The gaming commission even code reviews what goes into the machines to make sure they follow regulations.
 
When you see complete nonsense like what you see from backsider on a regular basis you can be assured the person has an agenda and is not interested in the truth.

[faygo]

 
When you see complete nonsense like what you see from backsider on a regular basis you can be assured the person has an agenda and is not interested in the truth.

 
How right you are SM. This nonsense about programed (rigged) machines has really gotten old.

[Frank Kneeland]

There are obviously two schools of thought on whether or not machines are fair and random in regulated areas.1. Some believe they are fair and random. 2, Others believe they are not truly random and instead see patters and predetermination.What you should look at to sift through this bifurcated and diametrically opposed advice is the route used to reach the conclusions, not the conclusions themselves.The last 50 years of scientific research into human cognition says that any attempt by humans to look at and evaluate random events in our heads will fail as our inherited and always on pattern recognition engines force us to see what is not there.Only by use of statistical analysis and OUT-OF-YOUR-HEAD calculations can one even hope to get a reasonable perspective on things, and even then our minds will still lead us astray without special training.Oh and high IQ is a deficit not an asset. People of high intelligence are more likely to see non-existent patterns and predetermination in random events.So there's my advice. If someone tells you something, anything, before you inculcate it into your knowledge set ask, "And how did you come to this conclusion?" If there answer is, "by observation" the chances of them being correct are slim to none where randomness is concerned.I strongly recommend a book called "The Drunkards Walk".~FK

[backsider]

Mr. Frank, if you're implying I have a high IQ, thank you but my base psychologist says its only average.   But its other smarter people Ive read who lead me to believe the machines are not always random. I believe theyre random enough so that no one can notice anything during their play. Truly, I dont see how anyone no matter how smart would be able to tell the difference. This notion that no casino employee would ever alter a chip for whatever reason, whether legal or not which no one really knows what it is either way, is wishful thinking for lack of better wording. Ill bet the casino industry either pays people to come on the forums trying to choke people who question randomness like I and many others do, or it laughs at them every day until dawn for making such a fuss about it.  Shadow, I see your New Years resolution didnt include refraining from insults or getting agitated over things that mean so little in the overall scheme of your life.