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Draw Timing Change, is it possible?
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Frank Kneeland
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Re: Draw Timing Change, is it possible?
Oh here's the missing ending. Everyone like the gig-saw puzzle order I posted these in? On second thought don't answer.______________________________Que Sera,
Sera. (Whatever will be, will be). When it will be and how we
perceive it is still up to us.
Sometimes
I ask to sneak a closer look, skip to the final chapter of the
bookand then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took,
to get us where we are this far, yeahbut the question drowns in
its futility, and even I have got to laugh, laugh at meno one gets to
miss the storm of what will be, just holding on for the ride
~Indigo
Girls, The Wood Song
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spxChrome
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I just cant seem to string together positive days, its always win, lose, lose, lose, win, lose, win, lose, lose, frustrating!
I do the opposite... but have the same result as you...cause I can clean out 5 winning sessions with 1 losing session.
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brmcc74
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[QUOTE=Tony Felder]
I just cant seem to string together positive days, its always win, lose, lose, lose, win, lose, win, lose, lose, frustrating!
I do the opposite... but have the same result as you...cause I can clean out 5 winning sessions with 1 losing session.[/QUOTE] x2
I just cant seem to string together positive days, its always win, lose, lose, lose, win, lose, win, lose, lose, frustrating!
I do the opposite... but have the same result as you...cause I can clean out 5 winning sessions with 1 losing session.[/QUOTE] x2
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Frank Kneeland
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[QUOTE=spxChrome][QUOTE=Tony Felder]I just cant seem to string together positive days, its always win, lose, lose, lose, win, lose, win, lose, lose, frustrating!
I do the opposite... but have the same result as you...cause I can clean out 5 winning sessions with 1 losing session.[/QUOTE] x2[/QUOTE]Would it be possible for both Spx and brmcc74 to share your gambling "rules" so we could get a feel for what's causing your predilection towards frequent wins overshadowed by infrequent large losses???~FK
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brmcc74
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Sure Frank, I play whenever I want, I dont have a risk of ruin but seem to always have $ to sit in a casino 25 hours a week. Play mainly 9/6 DDB .25-$. I just dont seem to care how much $ I spend playing. Some days it works out, others not. Its like a job that I pay to go to. I play until I feel that Im up for the session(good) or when I feel like punching the glass screen out/ or knocking the mach over(time to leave). I love to play though, weird. Guess I dont have any rules.
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Frank Kneeland
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Sure Frank, I play whenever I want, I dont have a risk of ruin but seem to always have $ to sit in a casino 25 hours a week. Play mainly 9/6 DDB .25-$. I just dont seem to care how much $ I spend playing. Some days it works out, others not. Its like a job that I pay to go to. I play until I feel that Im up for the session(good) or when I feel like punching the glass screen out/ or knocking the mach over(time to leave). I love to play though, weird. Guess I dont have any rules. Interesting! So it would appear the natural swings of your game of choice are responsible for the fluctuation curve you cited. That is informative, thank you.Different games will of course have different standard deviations.I always liked 678 JKR. Break-even all week long and get the occasional free and clear Royal. Of course those machines were over 102% return. And of course they are no longer around.
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brmcc74
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Ya I missed alot of those great games that you guys had available in Vegas years ago. Around here CHI-MICH area, there are positive games to be had but not easy to find. They move around too, probably based on casino revenue. I think one casino in particular has brought back several banks and denoms of the 9/6 DDB in order to get players back in. Im not crazy about ddb but it happens to be the best game besides boring games like 9/6 job or 8/5/175 bp.
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Tony Felder
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Hey brmcc,
I am in the Detroit area and have a hard time finding a .25 9/6 DDB anywhere, any tips?
I am in the Detroit area and have a hard time finding a .25 9/6 DDB anywhere, any tips?
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brmcc74
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Hey brmcc,
I am in the Detroit area and have a hard time finding a .25 9/6 DDB anywhere, any tips? Detroit not sure but last time I checked, Four Winds in Michigan Had 9/6 DDB at $ level. These games are hit and miss. I also have heard of $0.25 JOB 9/6 at Fire Keepers in Michigan. . Detroit may be harder to locate a good game
I am in the Detroit area and have a hard time finding a .25 9/6 DDB anywhere, any tips? Detroit not sure but last time I checked, Four Winds in Michigan Had 9/6 DDB at $ level. These games are hit and miss. I also have heard of $0.25 JOB 9/6 at Fire Keepers in Michigan. . Detroit may be harder to locate a good game
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BillyJoe
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I liked this thread so much I added an intro to my earlier post and I'm turning it into an article. Here's the missing intro:
The Very Special (not)Theory of Relativity
We are surrounded by a universe where the ticks of a clock seem as constant as death & taxes, and for us time appears immortal, immutable and inviolate. With our own eyes we see objects speed up and slow down, traveling the full range between full stop (at rest) and god speed (really really fast). Surely time must be a constant and speed a variable? Well no, not really. Our eyes, mind and other senses deceive us. Time had a beginning, it will end, and in-between it slows down and speeds up proportionate to the relative velocity of objects moving thru it and gravitational fields. Within the event horizon of a black hole time even dies.
When Einstein looked at things in a really different light he discovered; that, for light, things are really different.
As it turns out the speed of light is a constant, and time the variable. For us time and speed are variable, and our only constant is our perception of how fast light travels. Yea it's weird...it's hard to understand...and it's been confirmed by every scientific test done in the last hundred years. Even more important to understand is that no amount of observation with our five senses would ever have lead to this understanding. Look and ye shall find (everything but the truth!). Too bad old Albert didn't extend his Theory of Relativity, and his Theory of Special Relativity to include gambling systems. If he had, he would have found some amazing correlations.
In gambling even as our results remain a constant, we can alter our perception of them and the time it takes us to achieve them. Again time is the variable. Einstein claims to have had his epiphany about relativity while conducting a thought experiment on a train. He imagined the train traveling at the speed of light and tried to visualize how the world would look to an observer. I believe we can reach similar understandings about gambling with a slightly different thought experiment.
Imagine for a moment that your fate was sealed by Urd, Verdandi, and Skuld personally (Norse Goddesses of Fate). In your next four hours of play on a video poker machine the hands you would be dealt were cast in stone. You could however choose to play them anywhere at any time. In the absence of rules you would simply walk into the casino of your choice, pick a machine, and play for four hours and be done with it. On the other hand, you could set daily loss limits, win goals, move machines if one was paying poorly, and split up your play in any manner you wished. If we set an hour to be the smallest increment of reckoning you could play four hours in one day. Two hours on two days. One day of three hours, and one day of one hour. Or lastly, you could play one hour a day for four days.
Try imagine how different your results would look based on the rules you set and how in retrospect identical results would appear completely altered. Now let's take an example of three different gamblers with very different play rules playing with identical results and see how it changes things.
~FK
Albert Einstein was doing fine until Niels Bohr's understanding of Quantum Physics came along. Poor Albert never could accept it, because he was too fixed in one place. Maybe I would have a higher probability (sorry, Frank) of winning at VP in a parallel universe.
As to the original question of whether timing of the deal/draw affects results, the answer is, of course it does. You just don't now how.
To some folks shagrin, I still believe that the more hands played bring you closer to the Expected Return of a given pay table. But in a given session, say four hours of play, you are nowhere close to playing enough hands, no matter how fast you play, to overcome the good luck aspect of hitting good hands.
What I do, for no scientific reason whatsoever, is to wait a while on a machine that is running lean before my next deal or draw. In my mind, this gives the RNG time to cycle to a whole different place where the good cards may be hiding. It also gives me time to chat with a cute waitress.
The Very Special (not)Theory of Relativity
We are surrounded by a universe where the ticks of a clock seem as constant as death & taxes, and for us time appears immortal, immutable and inviolate. With our own eyes we see objects speed up and slow down, traveling the full range between full stop (at rest) and god speed (really really fast). Surely time must be a constant and speed a variable? Well no, not really. Our eyes, mind and other senses deceive us. Time had a beginning, it will end, and in-between it slows down and speeds up proportionate to the relative velocity of objects moving thru it and gravitational fields. Within the event horizon of a black hole time even dies.
When Einstein looked at things in a really different light he discovered; that, for light, things are really different.
As it turns out the speed of light is a constant, and time the variable. For us time and speed are variable, and our only constant is our perception of how fast light travels. Yea it's weird...it's hard to understand...and it's been confirmed by every scientific test done in the last hundred years. Even more important to understand is that no amount of observation with our five senses would ever have lead to this understanding. Look and ye shall find (everything but the truth!). Too bad old Albert didn't extend his Theory of Relativity, and his Theory of Special Relativity to include gambling systems. If he had, he would have found some amazing correlations.
In gambling even as our results remain a constant, we can alter our perception of them and the time it takes us to achieve them. Again time is the variable. Einstein claims to have had his epiphany about relativity while conducting a thought experiment on a train. He imagined the train traveling at the speed of light and tried to visualize how the world would look to an observer. I believe we can reach similar understandings about gambling with a slightly different thought experiment.
Imagine for a moment that your fate was sealed by Urd, Verdandi, and Skuld personally (Norse Goddesses of Fate). In your next four hours of play on a video poker machine the hands you would be dealt were cast in stone. You could however choose to play them anywhere at any time. In the absence of rules you would simply walk into the casino of your choice, pick a machine, and play for four hours and be done with it. On the other hand, you could set daily loss limits, win goals, move machines if one was paying poorly, and split up your play in any manner you wished. If we set an hour to be the smallest increment of reckoning you could play four hours in one day. Two hours on two days. One day of three hours, and one day of one hour. Or lastly, you could play one hour a day for four days.
Try imagine how different your results would look based on the rules you set and how in retrospect identical results would appear completely altered. Now let's take an example of three different gamblers with very different play rules playing with identical results and see how it changes things.
~FK
Albert Einstein was doing fine until Niels Bohr's understanding of Quantum Physics came along. Poor Albert never could accept it, because he was too fixed in one place. Maybe I would have a higher probability (sorry, Frank) of winning at VP in a parallel universe.
As to the original question of whether timing of the deal/draw affects results, the answer is, of course it does. You just don't now how.
To some folks shagrin, I still believe that the more hands played bring you closer to the Expected Return of a given pay table. But in a given session, say four hours of play, you are nowhere close to playing enough hands, no matter how fast you play, to overcome the good luck aspect of hitting good hands.
What I do, for no scientific reason whatsoever, is to wait a while on a machine that is running lean before my next deal or draw. In my mind, this gives the RNG time to cycle to a whole different place where the good cards may be hiding. It also gives me time to chat with a cute waitress.
