Vp can casino regulate pay out other then paytable

[royal flush]

they must have messed up once to let hit the royal someone must have lost his job in the game rigging office

[brmcc74]

some confusion comes from vp mach vs slot mach. Slots can be and are turned up or down depending on what the person in charge decides. The older ones had 4 settings. States are still bound by law to pay a certain % back even on variable slot mach's. Ive heard that the worst slot paybacks are around high 70%"s- low 80%'s. I believe AC can run their machines lower than Vegas. AC has some of the worst pay back % on slots. VP is different and is regulated different. It has to be. The pay table works in conjuntion with the rng or else we would never be able to put an "average" pay back% on them.  If I were to even be suspect of any casino, it would be some of the very small ones that I have been to. They just dont have to cheat. If their slots are set around 91-93% pay back, they are making a sick killing. Vegas averages 96% pay back depending on what part of town youre in. They are making huge cash on their 4% take. Alot of people dont really know whats involved when pay backs are concerned. Most people are playing for a larger near impossible jackpot, and go bust first.

[Eduardo]

Do you believe in fairy tales too? And try not to be selective when answering please.
 Once upon a time, in a fairy tale, there was a brave prince who went around asking people, "Do you belive in fairy tales too?"True story.

[New2vp]

The government also HAS to never be involved in corruption, Wall Street fat cats also HAVE to abide by regulations, Countrywide Mortgage HAD to follow the law regarding home loans, and AG Eric Holder HAS to prosecute the Black Panthers who intimated voters in the last election.You forgot the other big myth.  Your hero HAS to be man enough to abide by the terms of his ban and would NEVER post under cloned screen names.  No, you say?  Everyone ELSE is unworthy of trust.  He alone is the only one that would never lie.Is that post short enough that you can understand it?You get the last word.  I don't check this Web site as often as I used to. 

[New2vp]

Don't disappoint me now by posting something predictable, petty, illogical or stupid.  Try to avoid those Standard Deflection Reflection Techniques if you can.

[BillyJoe]

It's the world's best kept secret.
 
Hundreds of casino employees, hundreds of state employees, hundreds of employees of the many gaming companies are all in collusion and not once has one let on (well, except for the one engineer that told BS/RS the machines were rigged).
 
Oh, and you have hundreds of pro players and recreational APers that all must lose yet keep playing year after year.
 
One has to be pretty gullible to believe this kind of conspiracy voodoo. Must be time to pull out the tin foil hats again.
I am still looking for that machine that Frank Kneeland talked about a while back, where it was set incorrectly, and the paybacks were higher than the stated paytables. Now THAT'S an AP move.  

[olds442jetaway]

I am running my own long term test at Mohegan Sun in Ct. Of course anything can happen in the short run. What I am noticing however, is a huge spread between Royals running well over 100,000 hands on 9/6 JOB machines. The 4 of a kinds seem to either come just a few hands apart or none for 4,000 hands of play. (not 400). Even full houses seem to either come in all at once for a few times and then none for a couple of hours at a time. Since I am playing between 8,000 and 12,000 hands a week there, I hope to get a handle at some point on what if anything is happening to vp machines there. Getting no points for playing these 9/6 machines really hurts, but not as much as playing a machine with a 96% return. I know a short run can be very long, but only getting a 94% return on nearly 1 million hands played over a two year period seems like an awfully long short run to me. I used to average right around 99% for years as it should be in the long run, so it will be interesting to see how long this continues. If it continues much longer, I will have to either quit playing vp entirely or switch casinos and I don't believe there are any 25 cent 9/6 JOB machines at Foxwoods.

[BillyJoe]

I am running my own long term test at Mohegan Sun in Ct. Of course anything can happen in the short run. What I am noticing however, is a huge spread between Royals running well over 100,000 hands on 9/6 JOB machines. The 4 of a kinds seem to either come just a few hands apart or none for 4,000 hands of play. (not 400). Even full houses seem to either come in all at once for a few times and then none for a couple of hours at a time. Since I am playing between 8,000 and 12,000 hands a week there, I hope to get a handle at some point on what if anything is happening to vp machines there. Getting no points for playing these 9/6 machines really hurts, but not as much as playing a machine with a 96% return. I know a short run can be very long, but only getting a 94% return on nearly 1 million hands played over a two year period seems like an awfully long short run to me. I used to average right around 99% for years as it should be in the long run, so it will be interesting to see how long this continues. If it continues much longer, I will have to either quit playing vp entirely or switch casinos and I don't believe there are any 25 cent 9/6 JOB machines at Foxwoods.
Wow - that's a lot of record keeping, Olds. I do not play JOB, nor do I play single line very often, unless it is on a Five Star Poker machine. I have not been to either of the casinos that you mentioned, either. What I can say, though, is that my personal experiences at casinos in AC or Vegas, for example, have been nothing like what you reported. I certainly experience a great deal more FHs, quads and RFs than what you are seeing.  

[Casino Knight]

I guess I have a different view. If a casino chooses to 'fix' the number of winning hands on a VP machine, why not increase the pay tables to like 15/10 for DDB, and have people standing in line to play them?  
Back when the Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa, a Native American establishment, had Class II VP machines, the pay tables were huge. When they were licensed and converted to Class III machines, POOF, there went the pay tables, right down to what you would expect.   

Bingo!!! Billy Joe.
I fondly remember those "gray area" days. Merit Industries was one of the major vendors of those pre 1988 IGRA "video lottery devices".
All of the early games were mostly a derivative of JOB, but with 10/7 pay tables. But with a simple dip switch you could change the return from 100% to 70%. They would pay what the glass said, but not as often as one hoped.

The term "video lottery device" was used in legal arguments to equate the use of instant decision "machines" with instant decision scratch off tickets. That being, whatever was allowed in a State, was legal on a Reservation. Not to be confused with VLT.