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Instead of making up virtual scenarios, pretending he could be playing at crooked Indian casinos, or guessing if he was holding one or two cards which I saw no reason to do, why not direct him to the utility Frank has been working on and ask him to test the machines he believes hes getting the shaft from himself?
Real answers for real people, without all the agendas. THATS what this world needs more of!
Draw to 3 Dealt Aces Not Random?
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backsider
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shadowman
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Instead of making up virtual scenarios, pretending he could be playing at crooked Indian casinos, or guessing if he was holding one or two cards which I saw no reason to do, why not direct him to the utility Frank has been working on and ask him to test the machines he believes hes getting the shaft from himself?
Real answers for real people, without all the agendas. THATS what this world needs more of!
Because, if the player is playing on non-random machines then putting the effort into using Frank's utility is unnecessary. Why would any reasonable person do a randomness test on machines that were already known to be non-random?
But I guess your definition of a "real answer" is somewhat different from those who have simple common sense.
Real answers for real people, without all the agendas. THATS what this world needs more of!
Because, if the player is playing on non-random machines then putting the effort into using Frank's utility is unnecessary. Why would any reasonable person do a randomness test on machines that were already known to be non-random?
But I guess your definition of a "real answer" is somewhat different from those who have simple common sense.
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backsider
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Because, shadow, if he were playing at an Indian casino that many believe have no issue with altering the machine program while someone like you swears they do not, then in such a case no one knows anything, and Franks utility could help.
You are right about one insinuation though. There appears to be a lack of common sense. Check the math on that one.
You are right about one insinuation though. There appears to be a lack of common sense. Check the math on that one.
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shadowman
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Because, shadow, if he were playing at an Indian casino that many believe have no issue with altering the machine program while someone like you swears they do not, then in such a case no one knows anything, and Franks utility could help.
Notice your use of "if". That's the key, he doesn't know if the machines are supposed to be random and until he does all your stammering is of no value.
BTW, as far as we know there are no Native American casinos involved in this discussion. One can only wonder why you would bring it up. But then, you logical capabilities are pretty much non-existent so I'm really not at all surprised.
Notice your use of "if". That's the key, he doesn't know if the machines are supposed to be random and until he does all your stammering is of no value.
BTW, as far as we know there are no Native American casinos involved in this discussion. One can only wonder why you would bring it up. But then, you logical capabilities are pretty much non-existent so I'm really not at all surprised.
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edog743
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I think he is trying to irk me shadow. But to no avail
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backsider
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Shadow, as far as anyone knows, he could be playing at any type of casino anywhere. Thats why I said "if" and why edog felt he had to rush in to save you from yourself again. Edog, I had no intention of irking you. I, and others, feel Indian casinos can do anything they want to do to their machines. Nothing wrong with that either.
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xfile1971
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My trip was in Las Vegas and all machines involved were normal IGT machines.It was a long trip and I played at many casinos: Venetian, Cosmopolitan, Aria, Bally's, Paris, Planet Hollywood, M Resort, Sunset Station and Red Rock.All games were Double Bonus, DDB or TDB. No Jacks or Better, Bonus or Deuces Wild. (I enjoy playing more volatile games.)For the person who commented their play regarding Deuces Wild, I don't mind anybody disagreeing with me. Obviously, the concept of machines being non-random in any fashion is usually considered conspiracy theory. HOWEVER, I don't need snotty comments regarding my statements being incorrect because you drew deuces while playing Deuces Wild. If you knew how to read, you would know I was not discussing that game AT ALL. Thanks.Finally, as you can tell by the casinos I play at and the games involved, I am NOT someone who only plays games with an EV of 99 percent or higher. I know many of you are exceptionally intelligent and play only the best games available such as Full Pay Jacks or Better or Full Pay Deuces Wild. I expect about a 97% payback on the games I play and simply look at gambling as enjoyment and not a money-maker.I was inquiring because I assume most of you play single hand poker and I have not noticed any strange patterns on single hand machines but I thought maybe a few people enjoy multi-hand machines and it was just something that has been happening to me for years and years and I finally had the nerve to post something. Sorry if I upset anybody.
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backsider
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Xfile, you only upset shadowman, which I do all the time these days. So dont worry about that.
But now that you did identify you were talking about Vegas casinos, by even the slightest mention that you have a concern over their machines possibly not being on the up & up, as soon as he reads it hell be all ruffled up and probably wont be able to eat dinner or go peepee until he "makes you see it his way".
Im liking you more and more!
But now that you did identify you were talking about Vegas casinos, by even the slightest mention that you have a concern over their machines possibly not being on the up & up, as soon as he reads it hell be all ruffled up and probably wont be able to eat dinner or go peepee until he "makes you see it his way".
Im liking you more and more!
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BillyJoe
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My trip was in Las Vegas and all machines involved were normal IGT machines.
It was a long trip and I played at many casinos: Venetian, Cosmopolitan, Aria, Bally's, Paris, Planet Hollywood, M Resort, Sunset Station and Red Rock.
All games were Double Bonus, DDB or TDB. No Jacks or Better, Bonus or Deuces Wild. (I enjoy playing more volatile games.)
For the person who commented their play regarding Deuces Wild, I don't mind anybody disagreeing with me. Obviously, the concept of machines being non-random in any fashion is usually considered conspiracy theory. HOWEVER, I don't need snotty comments regarding my statements being incorrect because you drew deuces while playing Deuces Wild. If you knew how to read, you would know I was not discussing that game AT ALL. Thanks.
Finally, as you can tell by the casinos I play at and the games involved, I am NOT someone who only plays games with an EV of 99 percent or higher. I know many of you are exceptionally intelligent and play only the best games available such as Full Pay Jacks or Better or Full Pay Deuces Wild. I expect about a 97% payback on the games I play and simply look at gambling as enjoyment and not a money-maker.
I was inquiring because I assume most of you play single hand poker and I have not noticed any strange patterns on single hand machines but I thought maybe a few people enjoy multi-hand machines and it was just something that has been happening to me for years and years and I finally had the nerve to post something. Sorry if I upset anybody.
Interesting, XFile. I, too, seem to gravitate to the more volatile games, like TDB, and I do play a lot of multi-line. I am leaving for Vegas tomorrow, and in fact, will be staying at Aria for part of the time, with the remainder at Caesars. As such, my play while in Vegas (I just play on the Strip, though) will certainly be exposed to some machines that may have exhibited what you have observed. I am gonna try and look for that pattern, and report back when I return.
It was a long trip and I played at many casinos: Venetian, Cosmopolitan, Aria, Bally's, Paris, Planet Hollywood, M Resort, Sunset Station and Red Rock.
All games were Double Bonus, DDB or TDB. No Jacks or Better, Bonus or Deuces Wild. (I enjoy playing more volatile games.)
For the person who commented their play regarding Deuces Wild, I don't mind anybody disagreeing with me. Obviously, the concept of machines being non-random in any fashion is usually considered conspiracy theory. HOWEVER, I don't need snotty comments regarding my statements being incorrect because you drew deuces while playing Deuces Wild. If you knew how to read, you would know I was not discussing that game AT ALL. Thanks.
Finally, as you can tell by the casinos I play at and the games involved, I am NOT someone who only plays games with an EV of 99 percent or higher. I know many of you are exceptionally intelligent and play only the best games available such as Full Pay Jacks or Better or Full Pay Deuces Wild. I expect about a 97% payback on the games I play and simply look at gambling as enjoyment and not a money-maker.
I was inquiring because I assume most of you play single hand poker and I have not noticed any strange patterns on single hand machines but I thought maybe a few people enjoy multi-hand machines and it was just something that has been happening to me for years and years and I finally had the nerve to post something. Sorry if I upset anybody.
Interesting, XFile. I, too, seem to gravitate to the more volatile games, like TDB, and I do play a lot of multi-line. I am leaving for Vegas tomorrow, and in fact, will be staying at Aria for part of the time, with the remainder at Caesars. As such, my play while in Vegas (I just play on the Strip, though) will certainly be exposed to some machines that may have exhibited what you have observed. I am gonna try and look for that pattern, and report back when I return.
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Quad Deuces
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For the person who commented their play regarding Deuces Wild, I don't mind anybody disagreeing with me. Obviously, the concept of machines being non-random in any fashion is usually considered conspiracy theory. HOWEVER, I don't need snotty comments regarding my statements being incorrect because you drew deuces while playing Deuces Wild. If you knew how to read, you would know I was not discussing that game AT ALL. Thanks.It has to do with drawing the fourth card to any 3-of-a-kind for a mini-jackpot. Aces, Deuces, doesn't matter. You seem to think the casinos are tossing you a rigged number of fours instead of aces. Preposterous.You're welcome.
