10 Play triple double;

[ginfre]

Seems as though 10 Play gives sufficient game exposure to become a winner, more quickly, than 5, definitely 3.  I haven't hit 4 of a kind on the initial bet as yet.  To max bet if each credit is a quarter, then I'm betting $12.50 per play.  That is a $2500 bankroll, the 10,000 credits.  Looking for observations; seems the 10 play is most ideal to keep the bankroll from going below 8,000, yet actually winning on the overall.  I always breakup two pair if one is ace, two, three or four, and I always play a single ace, only.  I will play two high cards, but if there is an ace, I only play the ace.  Never play to an inside straight,  I'd rather try to hit 4 of a kind.  How do others see it?  Thanks.

[mammajamma]

mathematically,  5 play is the best

[BillyJoe]

Gin, you sound like a player after my own heart - chasing those quads.  I, too, enjoy ten-play TDB at the $0.25 level. I normally play TDB 3-way $1, though.


 
As far as success, it, of course, depends a lot more on how good the hands are to start. I find that, in 3-way, a bad run of starting hands does less damage. That same bad run, though, on 10-way, can really hurt.
 
I have had dealt quads on 10-way. The wife had a dealt RF once in New Orleans on 10-way. That, of course, is when it is really fun.

[farmfreshguy]

QUESTION: WHY WOULD 5 PLAY BE MATHEMATICALLY THE CORRECT PLAY

[mammajamma]

if you do the math, you'll see that 5 play results in the most bang for your buck

[BillyJoe]

if you do the math, you'll see that 5 play results in the most bang for your buck
I am not doubting you, but what "math" are you referring to ?

[ginfre]

Yes, please explain the math part, just so I don't have to figure it out for myself.  I have an MBA in Finance and I'm good with numbers, but explain your math, please.  Thanks.

[ginfre]

I wanted to reply to my own initial topic, because I'd like to query other, more experienced players.  I hope one of the big time professionals read and respond to this one; I could do the math, but just by 'looking' at it, it feels right.  But I did this much math and it looks to me that the best game to play is 5/9 Triple Double Bonus Poker.  Not 6/9, not 7/9.   Forget DDB in the following context, since it 4 Aces, for example hit so infrequently, math speaking.  In 5/9, 4A with Kicker hits every 14,084 times.  The  other two, every 14,285 times.  That is 201 times more often, when computes to a whopping 1.4% greater frequency.  Further, 4A w/5-K hits every 6,666 times, compared to 6,756 times for the other two games.  Less than 1% better, but sufficiently eyebrow raising to over half of 1%.   "Doing the math", then, to me, means calculating how many flush dollars one is sacrificing to opt for 5/9 over 6/9 and 7/9.  Finding the game in 10-Play fashion, for working man's betting (aka is max bet at $12.50 per bet on a 25 cent credit) is a bit of effort, too!   I'm seeking validation, discussion, yeah buts, and any other kind of talk.  I plan on doing a break-even math calc, but, on balance, it would only satisfy my suspicions, that 5/9 will take the short-term player, and, dare I say, the long-term guy who has a bottomless bankroll, ALOT FARTHER.  What say you?  Thanks, this is a neat place. 

[BillyJoe]

.  I always breakup two pair if one is ace, two, three or four, and I always play a single ace, only.  I will play two high cards, but if there is an ace, I only play the ace.  Never play to an inside straight,  I'd rather try to hit 4 of a kind.  How do others see it?  Thanks.

Just so you know, Gin, I used Dancer's VPW software to create those hands that you described for a 9/5 TDB game. It came up with errors in your play for breaking two pairs with one being twos, threes or fours, but not for Aces. It also showed an error for not drawing to an inside straight if you have no pair or pay card. It showed an error for your single ace hold if you have another pay card in the same suit, such as Ace and Jack of hearts 
I am not suggesting that you change your playing style, but the software is designed to show 'perfect play' for a given game and pay table.

[ginfre]

Thanks.  I recognize leaving the ace naked.  I can recall winning 800 credits yesterday here in practice, with that practice.  I have to believe the eventual hit overcomes playing the extra pay card.  Also, this game is 6/9, lessening chances for the 4 Ace hits.  I won't draw to an inside straight unless circumstances dictate otherwise.  I will become a paying member.  Also, I will always breakup a pair and retain two's through four's.  I could do the math on this also, but billyjoe just eyeballing it, in the 5/9 construct, is the way to go, in my opinion, enhancing high risk with a greater than counterbalance to high reward.  Also, heck, its about when to walk away, also.  Your further commentary on my reply is appreciated.  Thanks.  Ginfre