Bounce Back Cash maximizing?

[COLTON]

Actually, Bob's speed is "only" 500 hands per hour. The game he plays is Quick Quads, which costs $6 per hand, or $60 for 10 Play (not $50).

[Quad Deuces]

You're correct, of course - I forgot to factor in the gadget bet.500 games per hour is about what I get on the 10-line machines I play.  High 400's usually.But that's impossible. 

[onemoretry]

But that's impossible. 


 It's not impossible - but it's miraculous.

[BobDancer]

It's neither impossible or particularly miraculous. But it is moving right along and for me requires concentrating on what I'm doing (i.e. not chatting more than occasionally with someone else who is playing --- most of whom I know) and it does require an empty machine. It also requires that I know the strategy cold.   I use that empty machine to premake tickets and to play while I'm waiting for a handpay --- which averages once every 40 minutes or so. (Sometimes you have 6 an hour. Sometimes you have 2 hours without one.) I do tip $5 on most handpays --- partly because I teach there and don't want the floorpeople badmouthing me, and partly because I believe this helps speed up the hand pays when they are backed up. Since I'm almost always only playing on days when everybody has a point multiplier, getting backed up with hand pays isn't that rare.The person who said it was impossible to play this fast was Backsider (who asked you to trust him -- which might be the most humorous comment he has made on this site). Earlier I suggested people should ignore him because he was not knowledgeable, negative, and in every discussion. And then he made an ignorant conclusion right on cue. If Backsider's arguments make sense to you then you are somebody with no chance of being a successful player. Yes Quad Deuces also said it was impossible --- but he was merely mocking Backsider when he did so.  Bob

[BillyJoe]

  I do tip $5 on most handpays --- partly because I teach there and don't want the floor people badmouthing me, and partly because I believe this helps speed up the hand pays when they are backed up. Since I'm almost always only playing on days when everybody has a point multiplier, getting backed up with hand pays isn't that rare.


A $5 TIP ??   If I played in that same casino with Bob, I would get my handpays at warp-speed, then..

[BobDancer]

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A $5 TIP ??   If I played in that same casino with Bob, I would get my handpays at warp-speed, then.. [/QUOTE]
 Remember, I'm getting two of these handpays per hour. Tipping $10 per hour is a significant portion of my EV.  Players who rarely get handpays often tip more per handpay --- but tip less overall because they have fewer tipping opportunities. Players who don't play for a living tip more for the "fun" and "excitement" of jackpots. To me jackpots are an everyday occurrence.  I have had 500 or so $20,000+ jackpots. I do tip more than $5 on those. But the smaller ones? Often nothing at all. Many professional players don't tip at all. I'm actually tipping MORE at South Point than I do elsewhere because I teach there and don't wish to alienate the workers. The same jackpots at other casinos are not tip-worthy in my opinion.  I get between $5 million and $10 million in W2Gs a year. Every year. And I've been playing for these stakes for more than 15 years. I've had enough jackpots that I could easily have tipped an extra $500,000 over my career were I to follow the patterns of more generous tippers. Had I done that, my bankroll would currently be a half-million less than it is now. Win or lose, though, I'm almost always friendly and courteous to all casino workers. I've had many tell me they'll take that in lieu of tips any day. A grump or a jerk who tips is no fun to be around --- although certainly employees will take the tips from them as well. Bob

[backsider]

I can list at least a half dozen bad conclusions, contradictions, and misrepresentations in Bobs last two posts, and thats WITHOUT running them through my program. But, in the interest of civility, Ill let them pass.

Ted, I am back on track!

[Lucky Larry]

Larry posted that you should learn the formulas for each casino. That's correct. Except it's often not easy to do this. Casinos regularly change their formulas --- sometimes taking actual wins-and-losses into account, sometimes not. The South Point says they "grade on a curve" meaning that the top-so-many get their best mailer each month and the next-so-many get their second-best mailer, etc. The best you can do oftentimes is to talk to other players who play about the same amount as you and get a "best guess."  Bob

As Bob noted it may be hard to find out the information. We played at a new casino - Paragon early last week. A "management suit" showed up to my side from the High Limit area just before midnight. We were trying to build our Daily Average Play (ADP) to help build comps for the future, so, I asked if he could tell me how the "official day" or ADP was calculated for the casino. His response was that the information was proprietary information and he couldn't share it. We continued the Q&A for several minutes as I tried to explain our situation and why I need the information. I shared based on points that I was over $12K coin in for the day. He didn't budge.   Finally, at that point I told him thanks that I was going to quit playing before midnight. I then pulled my card and ticket to stand up.

"Why are you stopping?" he asked.

I re-stated since he couldn't give me the information I would assume midnight was their cutoff and was quitting to not hurt my Average Daily Play. At that point he called the Slot Manager over to give me the information I wanted.

I understand the competitive nature of businesses. But, many times knowing the rules, points needed for bonus, etc. has allowed me to play extra coin to achieve something within close proximity.

Knowing how to "play the game" is crucial when the "house" has the advantage.

Knowledge is truly our best protection. Then pray for luck!

[BobDancer]

I can list at least a half dozen bad conclusions, contradictions, and misrepresentations in Bobs last two posts, and thats WITHOUT running them through my program. But, in the interest of civility, Ill let them pass.

!
  Doubtful. All you can do is to list things you disagree with. But nobody knowledgeable about video poker believes you know squat about the subject. So saying somethng that you disagree with is hardly a shameful thing. Bob

[shadowman]

I can list at least a half dozen bad conclusions, contradictions, and misrepresentations in Bobs last two posts, and thats WITHOUT running them through my program. But, in the interest of civility, Ill let them pass.

Ted, I am back on track!


 
It is not uncivil to name "bad conclusions, contradictions, and misrepresentations" if they existed, however it is uncivil to claim there are ones and then provide nothing to back it up. I don't know about Ted, but I give you a big red FAIL.