Another Bad Play Pays Off!

[FloridaPhil]

Went to the Hard Rock in Tampa today.  The pay schedule difference between quarter deuces and dollar deuces is over 2%, so I played 1 coin dollars today.   I played for about 4 hours hitting the max coins button only when I won at least 4 coins then returned to one coin on the next draw if I didn't win.  It's goofy way to play, but it's a lot of fun and well you know...   Anyway, after about 3 hours I hit 4 deuces with a max coin bet for $1,0000.  I played the remaining session budget with max coin dollars and went up another $200.  Sure is better than waiting 6 months for another quarter royal.  Here's the disclaimer: "Playing like this could be hazardous to your bankroll".  I'd rather be lucky than good.  

[faygo]

Luck ruled the day? Nah it was your expertise.

[BillyJoe]

WTG Phil..  Was that your favorite machine by the pool and the "RISE" restaurant?

[Lucky Larry]

..... I'd rather be lucky than good.  



Me too!    

LL

[FloridaPhil]

Yes.  I played that darn machine for 3 hours before it turned around and gave up the quad deuces.  I thread water all morning.  I was just about down to my last 20 when it hit.  Drew 3 deuces with 5 coins in, held my breath and there it was.   Sure felt good.    

[BillyJoe]

Yes.  I played that darn machine for 3 hours before it turned around and gave up the quad deuces.  I thread water all morning.  I was just about down to my last 20 when it hit.  Drew 3 deuces with 5 coins in, held my breath and there it was.   Sure felt good.    
Sounds like your bankroll was just enough that day.. Congrats...

[FloridaPhil]

My stop limit for a trip to the Hard Rock is $300.  One quarter quad deuces gets me back $200, so it works for me.  I've done a lot better lately playing one coin dollars and moving the coins up and down.   This is the third set of $1,000 quad deuces I've gotten this year doing the same thing.  I hit a couple of $250 Royals last year doing this.  I've had a bunch of Royals in my life, but they don't come frequent enough to get me excited about wanting to play just for them. One in 5,000 hands is a lot better odds than one in 45,000.   Does this make any sense to any one else other than me?   

[royal flush]

you are giving up 2% based upon the short coin pay on the royal 250,500,750,1000 ****4000**** i would play whatever i can afford to play max coins in

[FloridaPhil]

I'm so glad you said that.  Here you go...I play at the casino about 3 hours a week with a session budget of $300.    I play about 800 hands an hour and I want to play a minimum of 2400 hands each week.  Our quarter DW game pays 95.249%.  Our dollar DW game pays 97.686%.A 5 coin quarter Royal pays $1,000.   As you know, a DW Royal comes around about every 40,000 hands or so. Counting vacations and everything, I'm playing a minimum of 120,000 hands a year.  This means that I should average about 3 Royals a year, which I do.   This also means that I should see approximately 24 sets of quad deuces.  If I turn 1/3 of the quad deuces into $1,000 jackpots by switching to 5 coins 1/3 of the time, I would have $6,000.   This also doesn't count the times when I hit a 5 coin Royal w. Deuces for $120 or a 5-of-kind into $75.00.  Also, once I hit a quad deuce jackpot, I switch to 5 coins with the rest of my session budget so I can turn my Royals into 4,000 coin jackpots.  What I am really doing is playing one coin dollar DW to get the better pay schedule and consistently switching to 5 coins with any win of 4 coins or better.  I can play $300 for a very long time doing this.  Anyone who has played DW for any length of time knows that the game runs in short spurts of good and bad hands which is why this strategy has value.  I've tried it with other games and it doesn't work nearly as well.Consistently playing negative expectation VP games requires thinking way outside of the traditional strategy.  It also requires that you pay-to-play.  That strategy is based on:1. Finding positive expectation opportunities (none here)2. Playing perfectly for very long periods of time (can't do)3. Having a bankroll large enough so that you never bust (no way)These three requirements are totally impossible goals to the average VP player outside of Vegas.  Our world is much different and it takes different thinking.   I'm not saying my strategy will make anyone a long time winner.  I tried the recommended strategy for years and I lost a ton of money, just like the machine pay table said I would. 

[BillyJoe]

I'm so glad you said that.  Here you go...I play at the casino about 3 hours a week with a session budget of $300.    I play about 800 hands an hour and I want to play a minimum of 2400 hands each week.  Our quarter DW game pays 95.249%.  Our dollar DW game pays 97.686%.A 5 coin quarter Royal pays $1,000.   As you know, a DW Royal comes around about every 40,000 hands or so. Counting vacations and everything, I'm playing a minimum of 120,000 hands a year.  This means that I should average about 3 Royals a year, which I do.   This also means that I should see approximately 24 sets of quad deuces.  If I turn 1/3 of the quad deuces into $1,000 jackpots by switching to 5 coins 1/3 of the time, I would have $6,000.   This also doesn't count the times when I hit a 5 coin Royal w. Deuces for $120 or a 5-of-kind into $75.00.  Also, once I hit a quad deuce jackpot, I switch to 5 coins with the rest of my session budget so I can turn my Royals into 4,000 coin jackpots.  What I am really doing is playing one coin dollar DW to get the better pay schedule and consistently switching to 5 coins with any win of 4 coins or better.  I can play $300 for a very long time doing this.  Anyone who has played DW for any length of time knows that the game runs in short spurts of good and bad hands which is why this strategy has value.  I've tried it with other games and it doesn't work nearly as well.Consistently playing negative expectation VP games requires thinking way outside of the traditional strategy.  It also requires that you pay-to-play.  That strategy is based on:1. Finding positive expectation opportunities (none here)2. Playing perfectly for very long periods of time (can't do)3. Having a bankroll large enough so that you never bust (no way)These three requirements are totally impossible goals to the average VP player outside of Vegas.  Our world is much different and it takes different thinking.   I'm not saying my strategy will make anyone a long time winner.  I tried the recommended strategy for years and I lost a ton of money, just like the machine pay table said I would. 















Phil, all I can say is.....