Dueces Strategy Questions

[BobDancer]

The disagreement comes from whether setting the RF return to zero is a valid way of determining how much a royal flush adds to the return. My position is that this is not a valid way get the frequency of a royal flush. People who do this and follow advice of the computer would throw away some or all of a dealt royal flush because keeping it would be worth zero and throwing some or all of it away would give you some chances for flushes, straights, straight flushes, etc. Are you planning on throwing away a dealt royal? If not, your technique isn't valid. BTW, others in the current thread have also told you that setting the RF to zero will not give you the information you need. Bob

[BillyJoe]

The disagreement comes from whether setting the RF return to zero is a valid way of determining how much a royal flush adds to the return.
 
My position is that this is not a valid way get the frequency of a royal flush. People who do this and follow advice of the computer would throw away some or all of a dealt royal flush because keeping it would be worth zero and throwing some or all of it away would give you some chances for flushes, straights, straight flushes, etc. Are you planning on throwing away a dealt royal? If not, your technique isn't valid.
 
BTW, others in the current thread have also told you that setting the RF to zero will not give you the information you need.
 
Bob
Bob, exchanging posts on Forum with you is a lot like talking with my 85 year-old mother-in law. She is NEVER wrong, and often, forgets the subject that we are talking about.
 
There is no "information that I need" at this point. The question was really simple. Would changing the paytable effect the frequency of a given hand, like an RF?
 
Shadowman, myself and your VPW program said "YES", due to a change in a playing strategy of avoiding an RF.
 
When you said in the earlier thread-
"The royal occurs about equally frequently in FPDW (45.3K --- NOT the 61.7K BJ states) and 9/7 TDB (45.4K). Taking out the royal won't change things."
And when I said in this thread-

"So the hand frequencies that you see in VPW are not just the mathematical chances of a particular hand occurring, but rather, are a function of the strategy that you employ in holding particular dealt cards."
Your response was- 
"Absolutely not."
I interpreted all of that as your saying "NO"
 
Well, no matter, Bob. Over the course of many posts, I have concluded that discussing things with you is a waste of my time and energy, since I derive little value from your answers, which frequently include  "Buy my products" or "Attend my seminars" . Good luck with your radio show, and have fun at the 7Star and VP.com M&G events. 
 

[Quad Deuces]

So you're going to join backsider and stop posting too?

[rascal]

The discussion was very interesting to me until the last few posts. "In my opinion" is one of the most courteous things you can say in a discussion....rather than: "You are flatly wrong."
 
Respecting the other person's point of view even if you disagree with it allows us to have a civilized debate that can only benefit everyone.
 
There is a huge difference in the way BillyJoe and Bob Dancer present their opinions, vs the way that the so-called expert from Phoenix used to present his opinions on this forum. I hope we never go back to those days.

[BillyJoe]

So you're going to join backsider and stop posting too?
No. If someone asks my opinion on something, or I think that I have something to contribute,  I will surely give an honest answer. With regard to Mr Dancer, however, I am done.

[FloridaPhil]

Have you guys had your Testosterone checked lately?  I think it may be a little high...   

[BillyJoe]

Have you guys had your Testosterone checked lately?  I think it may be a little high...   
I take my "T" every day, Phil. One squirt under each armpit.

[mdmick67]

 LMAO... I thought that this was a real interesting topic. A little head banging sure gets the juices flowing and adds a little spice to some of the topics.

[BobDancer]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]Have you guys had your Testosterone checked lately?  I think it may be a little high...   
I take my "T" every day, Phil. One squirt under each armpit.  [/QUOTE]
  Actually, I do too (brand name Axiron). For me this was never a discussion that got me angry. I merely corrected BJ when I felt misquoted. The post in another thread that apparently initially set BJ off with respect to me was when I said his methodology was one that should only be used by someone who is able and willing to lose more than $10,000 a year playing video poker. He was highly offended by that. He doesn't believe I can possibly know enough about his results to say such a thing.  But I do. I believe his posts have given us all a lot of insight into his competence as a player. I suspect he loses far more than the number I posted. His "stop win" and "stop loss" theories are worthless. I also believe I have studied the winning and losing process well enough to make these statements.  One slight caveat. He said he earned Seven Star status at Harrah's/Caesars and a similar status at MGM. My understanding was that he did that playing video poker primarily. Under that scenario, he surely was behind way more than $10,000. But my understanding about this might have been incorrect. Elsewhere he indicated that he qualified for these tiers mostly by playing table games rather than video poker  --- and he also implied that his primary losses were from table games and not video poker. That could be. Part of my calculation was that he played $1 million in coin-in per year to earn Seven Stars status. If he plays a lot less than this in video poker, perhaps his losses are less than what I surmised.  But certainly that would make his table game losses WAY more than $10,000. You can keep them under that amount if you're an expert card counter (and don't get 86'd) but I know dozens of professional card counters and BJ has WAY too many basic misunderstandings to be a successful professional gambler. I'll guess we'll all find out rather quickly if he's going to keep his word and avoid responding to posts by me.  I hope he keeps his word. He calls me all sorts of unflattering things when he gets riled up. And really all I've said about him is:      1.   He loses a lot more than he wants people to believe      2.  He gets angry when somebody points that out, and      3.  His money management theories are bunk.       That's it. I don't consider those personal attacks, but he might. Bob Bob   

[FloridaPhil]

If I gambled a million dollars a year, my biggest problem wouldn't be posts on this forum...