How much do we still not know?

[paco13]

Aah screw it! I can't wait for the answer any longer. Rigged or not I'm goin' to the casino. Hope I return tonight with a BIG HIT story to post. And not that I hit another deer hopefully.
Good luck to the rest of ya's.

[BillyJoe]

Don't even get me started on my theories of weak and strong number strings, but I would make a bet that there are ways to trend a random number genrator if you knew the seed values (often the RTC represented in seconds from the start of the christian calendar from 0:00 on 1/1/0000.  At least that was how I was trained to seed a RNG when I used to program.   
Now, I know it's a lot more complex than that, and who knows,  
 
On the point of where an RNG string starts, I have always observed something while playing VP, and I was wondering if anyone knew if this was true.
 
Every once in a while (maybe about every 50-100 hands), a VP machine will 'stop', as though it is 'thinking', and then continue with the next deal. Is it, as I suspect, re-positioning itself within the RNG string?

[onemoretry]

. Yet when I get on a dueces wild machine I never hit the 4 dueces.
 
 I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes anyways:  Perhaps you're being penalized for misspelling "deuces"?

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=SaraTG]. Yet when I get on a dueces wild machine I never hit the 4 dueces.
 
 
I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes anyways:  Perhaps you're being penalized for misspelling "deuces"?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I can never catch 4 dueces on a deuces machine either, but I have caught them on a deuces wild game..

[SaraTG]

I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes anyways:  Perhaps you're being penalized for misspelling "deuces"?

 
  OMG that explains it all!  All these years wasted!

[shadowman]

I tried analyzing the output of an RNG based on the seed. While there was some variance it wasn't anything more than we experience at casinos. And, in the real casinos it doesn't really matter anymore. With the continuous RNG we are only sampling one hand in tens of thousands so the string itself is meaningless.
 
In fact, in my analysis I ran through around a million numbers every second on a Pentium 1.6 ghz processor. At the time I figured a VP machine was probably 5 times slower so that would have been 200K possible hands every second.

[roveer]

I tried analyzing the output of an RNG based on the seed. While there was some variance it wasn't anything more than we experience at casinos. And, in the real casinos it doesn't really matter anymore. With the continuous RNG we are only sampling one hand in tens of thousands so the string itself is meaningless.
 
In fact, in my analysis I ran through around a million numbers every second on a Pentium 1.6 ghz processor. At the time I figured a VP machine was probably 5 times slower so that would have been 200K possible hands every second.
 So I guess "poke and hope" would apply here then.  Oh well, we should all enjoy the free beer and luggage.  I've still got my dealt royal to look forward to.   Roveer 

[ko king]

[QUOTE=shadowman]I tried analyzing the output of an RNG based on the seed. While there was some variance it wasn't anything more than we experience at casinos. And, in the real casinos it doesn't really matter anymore. With the continuous RNG we are only sampling one hand in tens of thousands so the string itself is meaningless.
 
In fact, in my analysis I ran through around a million numbers every second on a Pentium 1.6 ghz processor. At the time I figured a VP machine was probably 5 times slower so that would have been 200K possible hands every second.
 
So I guess "poke and hope" would apply here then.  Oh well, we should all enjoy the free beer and luggage.  I've still got my dealt royal to look forward to. 
 
Roveer
 [/QUOTE]
You may not have caught the post where I brought up the fact that "4 to the flush off the draw" came up far more than the 1 every 36 average. I think everyone who plays a lot of vp would agree that straight flushes don't come along very often but I hit them there all the time. To add even more evidence to my theory I offer up this, in about 600K hands I hit 3 dealt royal flushes.

[ko king]

Ko King, the minimum payout setting and the actual payout are two different animals. If a machine is capable of 98% return with perfect play and some doofus sits down and misplays every hand, the casino is not responsible for making sure doofus is still covered to the tune of 98%. I have seen many vp machines with a paytable return of the upper 90's where the actual return over time is in the low 80's or even lower, due to poor play.
 
Now, as to randomness... over many years of VP, dating back to the very early 1990's, I have had incredible hits and incredible misses. Long winning streaks and long losing streaks. Had three Royals dealt in a two month period, at three different casinos, then went almost four years before I got another one. Had 4OAK on three consecutive hands at the former Grand Casino Gulfport (which disappeared in Katrina). Have won fantastically on STP only to then enter long periods of STP losses. It is the most random game on earth. If you feel like sitting there plinking away at Jacks or Better you can reduce the streakiness somewhat, but for me J or B is just like Sominex.
 
I think VP machines in REGULATED jurisdications that I TRUST are fair and are random. That said, anyone would be a fool to offer 100% trust to anything, so......eyes wide open.
You're right, I've seen some folks playing that had no idea what they were doing but I'm not interested in them. I've played for many years and understand the nature of the game, it can be tough but as long as I make the correct plays in the long run MY play should come close to that 98% figure.

[faygo]

[QUOTE=SaraTG]. Yet when I get on a dueces wild machine I never hit the 4 dueces.
 
 
I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes anyways:  Perhaps you're being penalized for misspelling "deuces"?[/QUOTE]