One Eyed Jacks Question(s)

[Rayser]

I was questioning the 9-9-9 also, my paytable app on my phone shows the highest being an 8-8-8 game with the highest return of 100.72%.   But I am not at all familiar with the game.

[DaBurglar]

I went back and checked my notes (well, my spreadsheet actually cuz I toss the notes once I input the numbers when i return from a trip). the showboat in AC has many machines with USA poker as standard on most menus, and on all 25 cent machines it is definitely 8-8-8 with a straightFrush paying 200 (1000 max coin).   Most machines out on the main floor have credit value settings ranging 25 cents, 50 cents, 1 dollar and 2 dollar.  The paytable DOES NOT change per game when you change the value of credits. HOWEVER..... In the obscure high limit area there is indeed a bank of 3 machines that are positioned triangularly facing each other, where the MINIMUM credit value is 1 dollar, then 2 dollars, 5 dollars 10 dollars and finally 25 dollars. On my last trip there in early November, at least two of those three machines had their USA poker game paytable set indeed to 9-9-9, but on one of those two machines the Straight flush payout was set at max coin payout of 500, I forgot to note what the other machine I played at had its straightflush set at but it stands to reason it probably had it as 500 as well, so that would be consistent with shadowman's theory that if the USA game has 9-9-9 as its paytable, they do indeed reduce other payouts. BUT..... as Bub Dancer has mentioned in the past, many casinos with LOTS of VP machines can very easily have ERRORS (intentional or possibly unintentional) in a few of the paytables simply because of human error.....it is very easy for a tired, overworked, uninspired tech worker to forget or make an error when resetting paytables, thus it is always advisable to carefully look and select VP games when in a casino, you never know what you're going to get (says forrest gump) Back in May of this past year (2012), I played these very same machines breifly at the SHowboat and at that time the paytables were 8-8-8 with a straightflush paying 1000, so it appears they change the tables every now and then for whatever reason. so that's my two cents on the 25 cents paytable differences, a penny for anyone elses thoughts.....

[DaBurglar]

Oh, and Rayser. Wild Sevens is a pretty common game here in certain AC casinos it is almost the same as Deuces wild in many of its features and paytables, but not EXACTLY the same (still a 1000 coin payout on max bet if you hit four Sevens, just like Four Deuces.)  In Vegas, I saw a Wild Sevens Game at the Las Vegas CLub and at the Fremont in Downtown, sometime back in 2010's winter of my discontent.  Dont know if it is in Reno but I am sure someone must have it.

[Rayser]

@DaBurglar, Thanks for the info, and the tip on the paytable errors.  

[shadowman]

It would be interesting to see the full paytable for the 9-9-9 game. The extra pay from 8->9 increases the return by around 4% (just a guess). The reduction of the SF would only cost around 1%. There would need to be other cuts or this would be a very positive situation.

[onemoretry]

In the USA poker game, you have to look at the payout for quads, as well.  In the best (100.72%) version, the five coin payout for quads is 200, along with 1000 for a straight flush, and 40 for full houses, flushes and straights. 

[DaBurglar]

Well I dont drink so I know I am not hallucinating here in a Booze induced state of "corn-fewshun", The machine(s) I played USA (also displayed as "ALL AMERICAN" Poker on some machines) had indeed 9-9-9, but the straightflush was 100 to 500 (max) and shadow was correct, the quad payout was indeed DROPPED from 200 to 125 for max coin payout....my original post was confusing plus my notes sucked for this session anyway for reasons I alluded to before, plus I normally do NOT play dollar credits and USA poker is not one of my faves but this thread is about odd ball games like One eyed jacks etc.but Ironically, a 9-9-9 paytable with 500 for a straightflush and 125 for quads actually makes the expected return just about exactly the same as the normal paytable setting on all other USA games out on the floor at the Showboat (8-8-8  with 1000 for strt flush and 200 for quads), there is virtually no difference on the long term return:  100.7% on USA paytable of 8-8-8  1000 sf  and 200 quad.   100.6% on 9-9-9  500 sf   and 125 quads. but I think playing a 9-9-9 game would be better in the short term especially on a dollar credit value since you could make a quick profit ( say around 100 bucks ) pretty easily with the right few hands.....I think this is what originally caught my eye when I was rolling around the showboat floor browsing paytables.  Like I said, normally this kinda game and stakes just isnt my bag!    Some casinos change paytables frequently, and there are a multitude of reasons for this, some good (for the players) some bad, and some just plain pointless....but it serves to keep things interesting (sort of).....like Bib Dancer once said, by examining all the paytables in a casino u can uncover some hidden gems.    I recall the Atlantic Club, back when it was still called the Atlantic City Hilton and before they started rigging some of their VP games, had as a standard offering on all its Video Poker games  TRIPLE BONUS POKER, and the paytable was 11-7-5  with all else staying per usual.   Most Triple Bonus games in AC  are the uninspiring 9-7-5 for a return of 98.8%    A few games offer 10-7-5 which bumps it up to 99.9 % which isnt all that bad.....BUT that 11-7-5 table gives you a 101% return!   These days, how nice would it be to find a 101% return on a game??? But alas, the Hilton almost went belly up, they changed their name (twice) and dropped over half of all VP machines in the casino and replaced them with 1 cent computerized hypnosis inducers instead.   The few VP machines they kept they butchered the Paytables and no more 11-7 Triple Bonus.    Granted Triple Bonus is a HIGH volatility animal but I miss the old 11-7 paytable.....everytime I hit a fullhouse it was exciting.

[Vman96]

One benefit is the 9-9-9 game has a bit lower variance.

[DaBurglar]

One thing I failed to mention about triple bonus poker, a point that makes this game hard to stomach unless they give u a paytable of 11-7;    Paying out on ONLY kings or better gets really stinkin annoying very quickly.  If I am going to play triple bonus, i usually make it my FIRST game played at the start of each casino visit/session, simply because if I have been playing any other VP game where it is JACKS or better that pays out, and then all of a sudden I switch to a KINGS or better payout,  it really screws me up, plus it is depressing not getting paid for a pair of queens and jacks

[olds442jetaway]

Mohegan Sun used to have a OEJ game at the 2 cent level, but it allowed you to play up to 100 credits. Lots of fun and never lost much playing it. Unfortunately, they pulled the bank of 6 machines about a year ago and OEJ is now nowhere to be found in the casino in any denomination. Foxwoods doesn't offer it either as far as I know. If I remember, there were times when you would keep something like a bare 6. I have forgotten the strategy now since it has been so long since I have played it and my short term memory is not great.