Need help on Foxwoods Deuces strategy

[DaBurglar]

I learn a lot by reading other people's posts in threads I normally have no interest in....Deuces is a game I hardly ever used to play.,,but in the last year with my horrendous results in AC, I have becone desperate to stop the bleeding and decided to dilute my play to include the tried and true bankroll preserver, deuces wild.   But in AC, where ALL paytables pretty much suck big time, the DW paytables are among the worst of the worst!   I just did realize exactly HOW bad they were until reading this thread....... It seems these days, if you are not in Vegas, you are essentially losing money before you even insert your players card, and I really need to ask myself what the heck is going on with all these casinos offering insulting paytables, I mean I see in AC at places like Caesars and Tropicana a 6/5 JOB and I ask my self "why do they even bother?"  And they wonder why vast they cannot reverse the downward trend in gaming revenue?!?!?!?!     Deuces wild is a wildly popular amongst a vast cross section of VP players, due to its typical ability to make your money last longer....but that makes it the enemy in the eyes of  AC casinos who are hurting for revenue and will do whatever they can to hang on to every credit they can......hence the PUTRID paytables for DW you see in AC, I mean you do not stand a chance with these games.  especially on machines where the random crap generator is cranked past the average the typical 55% zero value hand rate.    I saw this at the AC club on Thursday and Friday, May 23 and 24.    AC Club has DW with the aforementioned pay table of 20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1.  I still succeeded in losing 250 bucks playing mainly that same DW in a time span that  allowed me only to earn about 7 comp dollars and  around 80 stinkin tier credits!    Not much at all for a decnt size buy-in at the 25 cent level.......and what I experienced in losing the 250 bucks at this DW, using a perfect play strategy cheat sheet, was a losing hand rate of about 61.55% which is actually horrendous in that it is DW we are talking about!   It was over 2 machines I played in losing my 250 bucks, and many of my "wins" were simply return bets.....I calculate my 61.55% rate for my first 1500 hands and then I stopped as I lost the remainder of my 250 bucks but my dud hand rate didnt cchange much ..... Clearly the two Deuces Wild "slot" machines i was playing had their internal settings maintained to undershoot the expected payable hand rate and bring the total "SLOT" machine RTP down around 91% or so, typical for a 25 cent slot machine

[onemoretry]

I really need to ask myself what the heck is going on with all these casinos offering insulting paytables, I mean I see in AC at places like Caesars and Tropicana a 6/5 JOB and I ask my self "why do they even bother?" 
 At the two casinos where I play the most often, I play on multigame machines.  At one, the offerings are 9/6JOB (99.54%), 7/5 super aces (98.85%), deuces wild (the 98.91% version), and 7/5 bonus poker (98.01%). At the other, the games are 8/5 bonus poker (99.17%), 8/5 JOB (97.3%), deuces wild (96.77%), and 8/5 triple double (95.97%). The number of players who choose, either knowing or unknowingly, to play the inferior games is mind boggling. I get that a lot of people find JOB too boring, and can sort of understand their playing super aces or deuces wild instead.  But 7/5 bonus?  Or, giving up more than 3% to the casino in return for the infrequent high paying hands in triple double? The answer to the question: "why do they even bother?" is because people WILL play them. In fact, you demonstrated that reality by playing that dreadful deuces wild game.  

[olds442jetaway]

Those no points earned Deuces games are scattered throughout the Mohegan Sun casino, but here are some of the locations.....at the bar and just outside of the bar in the Hall of Lost Tribes in the Earth casino....at most bars in the smoking section in Earth....under the Turtle Dome in the sky casino non smoking section....at most bars in the sky casino....at most bars in the Casino of the Wind....also roughly in the center section in the Wind casino there are a few and probably a few other locations as well....Oh I forgot....also just outside the Wolf Den in the Earth Casino....this is for the 15-9-4-4-deuces game.  Watch out for sticky buttons on the bar machines. Most are poorly maintained and a mess due to how often people spill their drinks on them, The casino can't keep up with the mess.  Wouldn't you know that I just played one of these today for several hours with no luck and of course in the first hour, 4 four of a kinds hit including aces and threes with no deuce. Not long ago a similar thing happened and when I switched the game on the same machine to DB, the second hand was dealt deuces. That seems to be the pattern so often.

[Mikeinri]

Those no points earned Deuces games are scattered throughout the Mohegan Sun casino, but here are some of the locations.....at the bar and just outside of the bar in the Hall of Lost Tribes in the Earth casino....at most bars in the smoking section in Earth....under the Turtle Dome in the sky casino non smoking section....at most bars in the sky casino....at most bars in the Casino of the Wind....also roughly in the center section in the Wind casino there are a few and probably a few other locations as well....Oh I forgot....also just outside the Wolf Den in the Earth Casino....this is for the 15-9-4-4-deuces game.  Watch out for sticky buttons on the bar machines. Most are poorly maintained and a mess due to how often people spill their drinks on them, The casino can't keep up with the mess.  Wouldn't you know that I just played one of these today for several hours with no luck and of course in the first hour, 4 four of a kinds hit including aces and threes with no deuce. Not long ago a similar thing happened and when I switched the game on the same machine to DB, the second hand was dealt deuces. That seems to be the pattern so often. Thanks.  I will be sure to check them out next time I hit MS.

[Quad Deuces]

AC Club has DW with the aforementioned pay table of
20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1.  I still succeeded in losing 250 bucks playing
mainly that same DW in a time span that  allowed me only to earn about 7
comp dollars and  around 80 stinkin tier credits!    Not much at all
for a decnt size buy-in at the 25 cent level.......and what I
experienced in losing the 250 bucks at this DW, using a perfect play
strategy cheat sheet, was a losing hand rate of about 61.55% which is
actually horrendous in that it is DW we are talking about!   It was over
2 machines I played in losing my 250 bucks, and many of my "wins" were
simply return bets.....I calculate my 61.55% rate for my first 1500
hands and then I stopped as I lost the remainder of my 250 bucks but my
dud hand rate didnt cchange much .....Playing that pay
schedule, at quarters, for 1500 hands, using perfect strategy, you can
expect to blow through $250 60.35% of the time.  I don't know why you're
complaining about the single most-likely outcome being what you
experienced.  In fact, it sounds like you got more than 1500 hands in so
you did BETTER than expected.

[Vman96]

Playing that pay
schedule, at quarters, for 1500 hands, using perfect strategy, you can
expect to blow through $250 60.35% of the time.  I don't know why you're
complaining about the single most-likely outcome being what you
experienced.  In fact, it sounds like you got more than 1500 hands in so
you did BETTER than expected.



Yes, but what about the one in a lifetime "dud rates" that come every week...lol

[Quad Deuces]

*chirp chirp*

[Mikeinri]

I'm about ready to sign up with the conspiracy theorists. Played the 10-play Foxwoods  quarter Deuces Friday.  $800 coin in with a loss of $200. All hands were played slowly and perfectly.One progressive was up to $2100.  3 others were over $1600.  These machines get constant play so I couldn't get the meter rate but they are FAST.  All I saw the time I was there were people shaking their heads and walking away empty handed.I got a grand total of TWO comp dollars for $800 in play on these machines.I'll wait for the statistics experts here to tell me the percentile of probability my results fall in.

[Quad Deuces]

Somewhere between about 1 in 10 and one in 20 times will you do that badly after only 64 bets.  I don't know how you can make a judgement after such a small sample.  If I quit every time I was down $200 on 10-line quarters, I'd pretty much always leave down $200.(I'm not a statistical expert by any means.  I just know how to use the basic tools available to all - the fine Video Poker for Winners software in this case)

[Vman96]

Somewhere between about 1 in 10 and one in 20 times will you do that badly after only 64 bets.  I don't know how you can make a judgement after such a small sample.  If I quit every time I was down $200 on 10-line quarters, I'd pretty much always leave down $200.(I'm not a statistical expert by any means.  I just know how to use the basic tools available to all - the fine Video Poker for Winners software in this case)



Definitely sounds reasonable when you are betting $12.50 a hand! It is only 16 losing units.