Distressing CET VP Stories

[Vman96]

  So after you reading the regs as far back as 2 years ago and having had your eyes opened to, what you consider to be inferior payback percentages, you still continue to play there?
 
  I would equate this to: a customer walking into a hamburger joint; watching the cook spit on their burger as it's being prepared; the customer complains to the manager and the manager does nothing about it; the customer then continues to go back to the hamburger joint for more delicious burgers.

Basically this. And I am sure the relevant New Jersey law regarding the minimum standards of video poker machines is 30+ years old as well. He could have read this a lot longer than 2 years ago.

And Ko King's response doesn't faze my opinion either, because I got the impression that was from an Indian casino. If it was from a Mississippi riverboat casino, I would be a little more concerned, but also, I have read many stories about casino employees being very incompetent on how video poker machines work, and I could believe employees would give that response because they didn't know any better. Hell, I dealt with that at the Monte Carlo in Vegas in May. Those guys were clueless and probably would agree that Nevada's VP worked exactly the way DaBurglar claims machines in AC work because they have no clue, just like the NJ gaming commission does apparently.

[2222A]

I completely agree with deburgler about the ability to set the vp machine payback below the paytable schedule. I have been going to AC since the late 80's. I also occasionally go to Vegas. I live In Maryland. Several years ago I also contacted what was then the gaming enforcement and was told the exact thing deburlgler was told. I used to win on many occasions playing as high as the $10 levels. The last time I had actually won $7600, was about 4 years ago at Borgata. Now I just get hand after hand of stiff cards. Sure you see an occasional hand pay, but no where near like I have seen in the past. I have won more slot hand pays than vp which lends credibility to what we are saying here. There has and continues to be much talk about these type results not only in ac but also from the locals in Vegas. Can I prove all this ? Of course not but computers being computers one would have to disregard all these veteran players experiences.

[2222A]

I did not mean to come off as argumentative in my above post. These are my experiences and maybe I
Have had excessively bad luck, I don't believe that but some may.

All of us are here to share stories and experiences to become more informed and educated players. It really bothers me that SOME casinos would put these wolves in sheeps clothing on the floors and obfuscate
SOME of these machines theoretical pay tables as being what they should be paying out. Very vexing indeed.

[jetermacaw]

Back to my original post, I was st Harrahs' 11/14, 10x multiplier day, and it was the first time that the 3 9/6 machines in the triangle at section DD always had empty seats. The little sticker read $50 coin-in to earn one tier point, might have something to do with it.

[DaBurglar]

yeah jeter, they are getting desperate at Caesars Entertainment properties, the comps are drying up so fast I see a huge bankruptcy reorganization on the horizon for the corporation that operates all Caesars properties.  To mr 222A, thanks for your input and support and for verifying what myself and Ko King now know goes on in AC. I'm not going to answer or espond to tedlarks ridiculous and snide post about hamburgers and spitting and try and explain WHY I played in AC even after my suspicions started forming.....besides, I already actually HAVE explained why I keep going to AC despite my misgivings for anyone besides tedlark who cares. It is possible for any VP machine to be rigged, even in Vegas/nevada.....that much we all are in agreement.  Its an act of faith on the part of us players when we play at a casino that they are on the level and in full compliance with local and state regs.    For four years I doubted my experiences in AC, everytime I voiced them here I was told I was just imagining them and that it was randomness and bad luck....only in the last few months, really the last 4 weeks did I finally receive incontrovertible proof and testimony that AC's VP was what I suspected as far back as 2 years ago.   Suspecting something and KNOWING something are two radically different things.

[JT]

  So after you reading the regs as far back as 2 years ago and having had your eyes opened to, what you consider to be inferior payback percentages, you still continue to play there?
 
  I would equate this to: a customer walking into a hamburger joint; watching the cook spit on their burger as it's being prepared; the customer complains to the manager and the manager does nothing about it; the customer then continues to go back to the hamburger joint for more delicious burgers.

Simple solution, gentlemen -- don't feed the troll.   If DaBurglar is convinced the machines are rigged and he can't win, yet insists upon continuing to play them, then it's his own money and his own cognitive dissonance.

No amount of arguing or quoting the same regulation is going to change his mind.   You'd have about as much success trying to talk the Pope into being an atheist.

[Tedlark]

  I have seen the light JT, I have seen the light. But my hamburger joint example was pretty funny though right? It came to me spur of the moment.

[chattycattty]

The purpose of this forum is to have a meaningful exchange of ideas.  Perhaps DaBurglar is on to something.  If not he at least has the right to express his opinion.  How do you expect more people to get involved in this forum when there are people constantly making snide remarks and trying to be cute at someone else's expense.  Stop with the cutsy remarks.  They are not funny.  The potential is there for this to be an outstanding forum but it is not going to be as long as there are people on here using this forum as a whipping post to feed their own ego.

[Tedlark]

  chattycatty if your post is aimed at me, which I feel that it may be, stick it in your ditty bag. DaBurglar has been spouting off in every forum here and trying to hijack them with his constant rants about vp being crooked in AC. I have gotten tired of his I hate AC campaign simply because he offers no concrete proof of his allegations coupled with his own admission that he still plays video poker in AC. So if he feels that strongly about video poker being crooked in AC why does he continue to play there? If a wave of people who play video poker in AC, and share DaBurglar's theory, simply stop playing there then someone of importance may get the message in AC and right what ever wromg there is with video poker there.
 
  Many times DaBurglar has turned his forum posts personal and to date I have not. I share the same rights and privileges to post here that DaBurglar does, as long as I abide by the rules governing the forum. My ego needs no feeding because it does not need to be stoked, stroked, or massaged. DaBurglar chose to assault me personally and I have never struck at him on a personal level. I will however, continue to respond to his postings that offer: incomplete information; half truths; inuendo; insults, and slams.
 
  You are correct in thinking that this forum can be an outstanding place for being a great incubator for video poker, destinations, other gaming and the like but when someone like DaBurglar, who himself has admitted to hijacking forums by admitting his anti-AC rants into them this forum will not reach higher.
 
  You may be too new a member to know that people like DaBurglar have existed here before and they are nothing new. In fact there has been a special forum section created for just one of those people. My suggestion is this: let DaBurglar create his own forum posting where he can rant all he wants about his theories and he will not then infest every other forum board with his anti-AC message.

[ko king]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]   So after you reading the regs as far back as 2 years ago and having had your eyes opened to, what you consider to be inferior payback percentages, you still continue to play there?

 

  I would equate this to: a customer walking into a hamburger joint; watching the cook spit on their burger as it's being prepared; the customer complains to the manager and the manager does nothing about it; the customer then continues to go back to the hamburger joint for more delicious burgers.

Basically this. And I am sure the relevant New Jersey law regarding the minimum standards of video poker machines is 30+ years old as well. He could have read this a lot longer than 2 years ago.

And Ko King's response doesn't faze my opinion either, because I got the impression that was from an Indian casino. If it was from a Mississippi riverboat casino, I would be a little more concerned, but also, I have read many stories about casino employees being very incompetent on how video poker machines work, and I could believe employees would give that response because they didn't know any better. Hell, I dealt with that at the Monte Carlo in Vegas in May. Those guys were clueless and probably would agree that Nevada's VP worked exactly the way DaBurglar claims machines in AC work because they have no clue, just like the NJ gaming commission does apparently.[/QUOTE]

I don't think we have any Indian owned casinos around this area, we have the casinos in three different sates all within an hour drive from my house. I've played for over twenty years running, $2-$5 denomination TDB and DDB at max play all the time and during that time I only had one casino in one state really throw me for a loop. It took a while before I began to suspect something wasn't quite right there because I had to be able to eliminate the possibility of a long run of bad luck. You're right about one thing, most casino employees don't have a clue but what surprised me even more than that was the gaming commission had no idea what I was talking about when I ask them if it was standard Class III video poker I was playing there. I laughed my butt off when she said "I'm not sure but that's probably something I should know". Casinos are everywhere in the U.S. now and they all have one thing in mind, making money. What amazes me more than anything is that anyone would think they're all on the staright and narrow path, every single industry that exist has thousands of laws and regulations to keep them in check yet I challenge you to show me one single industry that doesn't have someone find a way to get around, bend or even break the rules, just one is all I'm looking for. The biggest and most profitable industries that exist on the face of the earth have someone that will do whatever it takes to enhance profits and it's been proven more than once., what makes you think the gaming industry would be the exception to the rule? My freind I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything but when it comes to making a dollar anythings possible and when it comes to making millions upon millions of dollars anythings probable.