What is the liklihood of Casino cheating at VP?

[DaBurglar]

  DaBurglar I'm not jumping on you here but the have been many times in the past where you have talked about "casino people", cab drivers, and the like, sharing information with you.

  Also if there is a commission of a crime, a confidentiality or non-disclosure agreement could be null and void. Laws also offer a certain measure of protection to whistleblowers including employers acting in retribution against whistleblowers.
  I know, over the years I have had all types and kinds of people who worked or were working in and around casinos tell me stuff, just as many others here have as well (people talking with slot techs and attendants, hosts, floor managers, dealers, bartenders, you name it....)     just like spxchrome had the "ex" casino manager tell him basically not to play in the casino she used to work at, I have had similar input from casino people over the years too.  Right now there are 264 casinos just in the state of Nevada alone!   So chances are excellent that most people know current or former casino employees. But what we are talking about here, "whistle blowing" and/or disclosing things that go way beyond simple small talk and conversations of a casual nature.   This is a very narrow and rare type of disclosure or occurrence.   and while you are correct to say that most non-disclosure agreements do not cover illegal acts, you would be putting the cart before the horse to automatically assume that applies to what we are talking about here.... First, a person has to prove illegal acts are taking place before they can invalidate their nondisclosure pledge.   you cannot say you are not bound any longer to keep quiet about company business because the company was violating the law, unless it has already been proven or is being proven simultabeously with your claims, whatever they may be.....I am certain, as most others here are too, that IF (and thats a big IF) a casino manager knew of his casino deliberately and consciously CHEATING, and he himself was not benefitting or doing the cheating, and thought about reporting it, he would first have to overcome the natural and imposing obstacle of taking on a HUGE company with unlimited resources compared to him, plus a whole slew of other psychological hurdles.   What I am saying here is to back up what others have already put forth, that we cannot just assume that if a casino cheats, someone, somewhere will automatically report it ..... nor can we assume that even if it gets reported, the casino will undergo some major ordeal or corrective action.    I personally would like to think and believe they would, but that is very naive on my part if I do.....

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar you erred in saying that I assumed anything, I didn't assume. The confidentiality and nondisclosure as it related to the thread was raised and I merely expanded the thread.
 
  It would not be up to the whislteblower to prove illegal acts are taking place; that is the job of whatever agency investigates the claim of wrong doing by the whistleblower.
 
  As for a higher level (casino manager as you exampled) casino employee being afraid to report any illegal acts or transgressions made by the casino owner because of the resources available to the casino owner I also call bunk on you. I am quite sure that these LICENSED casino employees, as a condition of holding and retaining their LICENSE, would be obligated BY LAW to report any wrong doing being done by the casino owner that the LICENSED employee may be aware of.
 
 I must say that when called out on some of the stuff that you write here, you do an outstanding job of trying to over explain yourself out of that jam. I do not assume that either.
 
  I tried, I really really tried.

[ko king]

I was at Caesars AC on 9/17 and a state inspector was there checking some new machines that they were getting  ready to be put into service. I asked him point blank what are the chances these machines aren't what they are suppose to be. He said and  i quote "zero", we inspect them them , we certify them and that's it. His opinion is that with the drop in play since the recession everything is relative, drop in play drop in winners. But the machines are what they are suppose to be.    
Wouldn't you agree that his answer better be "zero"? His opinion about drop in play, drop in winners being relative doesn't hold much water with me as far as the game of vp goes though because I thought my results were pretty much supposed to be relative to the amount of hands I played and my knowledge about the game.Why would the amount of other players have an effect on my individual results?

[jetermacaw]

Ko king: I didn't say I believed him, just stated what he told me.

[DaBurglar]

I would not expect a state inspector to say anything else, would you?   Of course, if you held his hand to the fire and asked him to SIGN a legally binding document, or testify in court, you'd probably get a different response.   It's too bad I didnt run into this guy in AC, I really wish I had.   Nice job jeter in at least putting him on the spot and getting that response......I would have segued the discussion into "so how is YOUR JOB these days sir?"   "Is the agency treating you right or do you feel overworked and underpayed?"   Would be interesting to hear answers to questions I already know the answers to ..... I think everyone here can see that his response, while expected and correct, does not erase our SPECIFIC concerns here......once a machine is installed in the casino, it becomes the responsibility of the casino to operate and maintain it (obviously).....they can set and re-set things as they see fit and to accomodate their own business needs, including payback percentages.   That's the crux of our issue here, just what exactly are casinos doing to VP machines (besides changing paytables) that is impacting our playing results??? I know the answer that we all want to hear and believe is NOTHING.....but clearly SOMETHING else is going on, whether its in AC, Biloxi, Vegas, Reno or Mooselips, Alberta.

[edog743]

Da, what would a casino in Canada have to do with casinos in the United States. I would guess Canada has their own set of rules.

[DaBurglar]

Da, what would a casino in Canada have to do with casinos in the United States. I would guess Canada has their own set of rules.
   r u serious??  Ok......I was using hyperbole to make a point, as I myself have never even BEEN to alberta, much less played in any casino there......plus, I dont think there is a mooselips anywhere in Alberta, I am pretty sure i got that from Bullwinkle. But to indulge your obtuse (is it intentional?) post, I would be quite surprised IF in fact casinos in CANADA were different on the operational/regulatory level from the USA, in any GREAT or significant way.....do I need to go on or can you see my point from here?   Hint: Many casino companies are INTERNATIONAL..... I am not saying that Canada's regulatory bodies are any better or worse (I know ZIP about Canadian Gaming commissions)......but would it make sense for USA casinos owned by XYZ company to have video poker that paid 93%, while XYZ's canadian casinos paid 98%?   Forgetting for a moment any international exchange variations, my answer would be  a solid NO. Now if someone wants to take their time and find and print Canadian gaming regs, and read them, knock yourself out....I need to prepare for the football games!

[Tedlark]

  What, may I ask, preparations for the football games does a DaBurglar make? We are talking american football right? Not the Canadian Football League? How about Irish football? You don't mean soccer do you? Remember, the rest of the world refers to soccer as football. I mention these because you talked about all things INTERNATIONAL.

[Tedlark]

  Oh, lest I forget. Our SPECIFIC concerns here? Our as in en mass?

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=edog743]Da, what would a casino in Canada have to do with casinos in the United States. I would guess Canada has their own set of rules.

 r u serious??
 Ok......I was using hyperbole to make a point, as I myself have never even BEEN to alberta, much less played in any casino there......plus, I dont think there is a mooselips anywhere in Alberta, I am pretty sure i got that from Bullwinkle.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is a Mooselips, Wisconsin.. And a rather famous lip balm that they sell in Alaska called..... MooseLips.  (nothing to do with VP... sorry)