Dream Card Questions

[chattycattty]

Been playing Dream Card VP this week and have a couple of questions. Since you are paying twice as much per bet, how often on average does the dream card come up? Also, in playing the various games, how does dream card compare to normal VP in terms of EV? If you are playing 9/6 DDB for instance EV would be 98.98. What would it be for dream card 9/6 DDB?

Would appreciate answers if anyone has them. Seems like an interesting game. Would like to try at casino but do not want to render more unto Caesar than I have to.

[ColorMeOld]

Been playing Dream Card VP this week and have a couple of questions. Since you are paying twice as much per bet, how often on average does the dream card come up? Also, in playing the various games, how does dream card compare to normal VP in terms of EV? If you are playing 9/6 DDB for instance EV would be 98.98. What would it be for dream card 9/6 DDB?

Would appreciate answers if anyone has them. Seems like an interesting game. Would like to try at casino but do not want to render more unto Caesar than I have to.

The Dream Card probability is listed in the Dream Card Return Summary Table that can be found here:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-pok ... ream-card/

[Vman96]

Dream card probabilities vary by game and are listed in the link ColorMeOld gave. For DDB it is 31%, but JoB is 50.5%. This is because quads are much more valuable in ddb, and the dream card will lead to a lot more quads.

Also most dream card variants help weaker paytables that stronger paytables.

9/6 DDB: 98.98% -> 99.04%
9/5 DDB: 97.87% -> 98.41%
8/5 DDB: 96.79% -> 97.52%

I'd doubt you'd be able to find a 9/6 DDB at CET, 9/5 DDB maybe, 8/5 DDB definitely.

Also be warned that the game doesn't always pick the correct dream card as I found out in February playing 8/5 bonus at Red Rock. See the mistake?

[chattycattty]

Thanks guys for the info on Dream Card. I am glad it enhances the EV. Based on what you have told me, I think I am ready to give it a try at the casino. So Vman, what you are saying is that in JOB you can expect a dream card every other hand and playing DDB roughly one out of three hands?

[chattycattty]

Vman you were not kidding when you said 50% dream cards on JOB. I have been playing TDB and seemed to only be getting DC's 10% of the time. If only I could get 50% DC's playing TDB.

[jim18]

Concerning Dream Card VP, I like the game, but I am concerned that my bankroll is not large enough as you need to bet twice as much per hand, as you normally would do.  Under what circumstances would a player choose Dream Card over standard games?  Yes, the pay table improves slightly under Dream Card.  But is that improvement greater than the impact Dream Card has on a bankroll?I read somewhere that when playing Dream Card, JOB, that the odds of getting a RF change from 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 10,000.  This might be a good reason to play Dream Card.  If it is true that the odds of getting a RF change to 1 in 10,000, then can I conclude that if I am playing 5 hands, that my odds fall to 1 in 2,000?There are a number of games available where the player doubles his bet per hand in exchange for something.  Some of these games are Ultimate X and Hyper.  My question is this.  If the pay tables are the same in all of these games, then what do I consider when trying to determine which game to play?

[DaBurglar]

the dream card rate of frequency is listed in the "Help/game info" section on the screen....you need to access it and read it om each machine before you play because the guidelines posted above and at other online sources is just that, A GUIDE.  the dream card frequency can be altered and adjusted per the casino's wishes and profit objectives...I know this to be true from my experience both with the single line dream card game that used to be at caesars AC (on a FIVE STAR machine) and also the three line dreamcard machine(s) at trump taj.     Consider:My session back on 03/15/12 playing Bonus poker deluxe dream card single line at caesars had a dream card frequency listed as 38% in the help section....three weeks later it was 31%.    Also the deuces wild dream card machine(s) dreamcard at taj have a frequency of 57%!  but the single line game only had 51% at caesars.Its always smart to actually read the fine print which in the case of vp machines is in the HELP/GAME INFO (or PAYTABLE) sections you must touch screen to access.ANd yes, the game has a few really awful mistakes in terms of dream cards, the most infamous is on Deuces wild.....if you score a dream card when you already have three deuces, but the fourth card is a 10  J  q  k  A .... the dream card will pick another 10 J Q K or A of the same suit as the other none deuce card to give you a wild royal, instead of the fourth deuce for the 1000 credit payout....simply because a royal i shigher than four of a kind.     beware this  cuz sometimes, when you go to change the wild card to the fourth deuce the dream card change button might not work properly, then you gotta call managment and sit there for 6 hours and 47 minutes while they verify the situation!

[Vman96]

Ugh. Does the single line dream card probability change? I do know the multipliers on Ultimate X are different on five star machines than the multiline games. 7/5 Bonus drops from 99%+ to about 98%. grrr. Now I'm going to have to drag my butt out to a casino with a five star machine to verify the percentages. I posted one of my local casinos to have 99%+ dream card...and of course its one of the furthest ones away....dammit.

[DaBurglar]

Ugh. Does the single line dream card probability change? I do know the multipliers on Ultimate X are different on five star machines than the multiline games. 7/5 Bonus drops from 99%+ to about 98%. grrr. Now I'm going to have to drag my butt out to a casino with a five star machine to verify the percentages. I posted one of my local casinos to have 99%+ dream card...and of course its one of the furthest ones away....dammit.Yes, my example I described above with Bonus Poker deluxe changing from 38 to 31 percent for the dreamcard rate of appearance was for a SINGLE LINE five star machine (at Caesars AC, which by the way, are now GONE....Caesars shipped all four Five star machines out of its AC property a couple months ago when it unveiled all of its new, extensive, SERVER based video poker machines.)      I have not seen any more five star machines anywhere in AC, and that is too bad because I personally liked the Five Star format, offerings and concept.    typical casino move these days, get rid of games or machines that in reality are quite good and popular.I will be at Trump Taj coming up April 12 thru 15, and the trump taj actually has TWO (2) dreamcard machines, both tabletop multi-line design.....first thing I do will be to hit "Help/Game Info" and jot down the dreamcard appearance rate for each game on each machine's menu.I am also interested in looking at the Dreamcard SPIN Poker game machines in Showboat......it would be curious indeed if those frequencies of dreamcard appearance were significantly different than other games.   I've never actually looked at a dreamcard spin poker frequency.Edited to add:   I spoke with a friend today who also played the dreamcard five star single line game at Caesars AC, including one session last July (2013) where he noticed the dreamcard rate on the Triple Double Bonus game to be a sickly 24%, but then 2 weeks later he sat down to play the machine to the right of the machine he played 2 weeks prior, and its TDB dreamcard rate was set at 28%.....he said he then reached over and accessed the machine he had played 2 weeks prior to check its rate and it was still listed as 24%!!!       This brings to mind what Borb Dancer once told all of us :   casinos sometimes make mistakes or oversights when it comes to the VARIABLE elements in video poker (like paytables, and in this case, bonus featurettes or frequency of hit for a special feature....)    Just shows we need to be alertFurther edited to add:    I am now of the opinion that dreamcard, as a game, sucks eggs.......its a huge money burner