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If you had to pick between playing one of these two games, which would you choose and why?
Trying to determine bankroll requirements for an upcoming 5 day trip to Downtown Vegas.
Many casinos in the downtown area offer one or both of these games at the $0.25 level, which is where I play at. I normally play at about 500 hands an hour, so I estimate it would take about $150 bankroll (give or take) to last over a 2.5 - 3 hour playing session.
My score usually falls around 97% accuracy on both games, as I practice quite a bit and have played both in the casinos before.
JOB has less variance and is a bit easier to play with light drinking, but I like the higher expected return and the mini jackpot NSUD has for quad deuces.
Thoughts?
9/6 JOB vs NSUD
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chattycattty
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I would probably play 9/6 JOB because I have had more royals playing that game and due to the low variance. In reality, it gets real boring playing the same game over and over. I would probably switch back and forth between the two and throw in some DDB or some TDB every once in a while.
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joechgo
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Those are the only two games I play. You can't go wrong with either one. NSUD has slightly higher variance (but nowhere near other games), but it also has a slightly higher return %.I'd work on your accuracy a little bit more. These games are pretty easy to master.
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DaBurglar
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Honestly, $150 bucks is too low as a PER day bankroll if you are planning on playing at least 3 hours per day, and if you are looking at a 5 day stay ...... I would double it to $300 to ensure you do not bust out and find yourself stuck with temptation to dip into the next day's money......Even though you are sticking with "safe games" like 9/6 job and NSUD, it has been my experience and observation over the past several years (mainly in AC but also a little in Nevada i.e. Vegas & Reno, plus some action in Connecticut) that what was ONCE safe bankroll levels to avoid risk of ruin/busting out are now BUNK. The games are just too unpredictable, for god-knows-how-many different reasons and causes.But then again, who really knows whether your $150 level is adequate or not.....you could hit a royal after 5 minutes......or you could get 75 duds in your first 100 hands and be down 50-60 bucks after 20 minutes......or you could be BELOW the statistically NORMAL expected dud rate of 55% (say 50%) after 100 hands but because all you scored in the other 50 were pairs (even money) you find yourself down 50 plus bucks! You wont know until you play, which is half the fun, right? The entire Not knowing.....right???? "the suspense is killing me....I hope it will last!" -- Willie Wonka, during the Augustus Gloop incident.MOST IMPORTANT......GOOD LUCK! I applaud your choice of downtown at least, my favorite Vegas place to stay and play! Try Oscar's Steak House in the Plaza Dome, I am anxious to try it myself and want first hand reviews!
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Tedlark
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Good luck to you TXVP, it is obvious that you know how to manage your money and just remember to play at a level that you are comfortable with.
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BillyJoe
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If you had to pick between playing one of these two games, which would you choose and why?
Trying to determine bankroll requirements for an upcoming 5 day trip to Downtown Vegas.
Many casinos in the downtown area offer one or both of these games at the $0.25 level, which is where I play at. I normally play at about 500 hands an hour, so I estimate it would take about $150 bankroll (give or take) to last over a 2.5 - 3 hour playing session.
My score usually falls around 97% accuracy on both games, as I practice quite a bit and have played both in the casinos before.
JOB has less variance and is a bit easier to play with light drinking, but I like the higher expected return and the mini jackpot NSUD has for quad deuces.
Thoughts? I know that I, personally, would never last 3 hours at a $0.25 denom on $150, regardless of the game that I would play. I do remember, though, a gal lasting 6 hours on JOB for $20. I think she cashed out about $10 up.
Trying to determine bankroll requirements for an upcoming 5 day trip to Downtown Vegas.
Many casinos in the downtown area offer one or both of these games at the $0.25 level, which is where I play at. I normally play at about 500 hands an hour, so I estimate it would take about $150 bankroll (give or take) to last over a 2.5 - 3 hour playing session.
My score usually falls around 97% accuracy on both games, as I practice quite a bit and have played both in the casinos before.
JOB has less variance and is a bit easier to play with light drinking, but I like the higher expected return and the mini jackpot NSUD has for quad deuces.
Thoughts? I know that I, personally, would never last 3 hours at a $0.25 denom on $150, regardless of the game that I would play. I do remember, though, a gal lasting 6 hours on JOB for $20. I think she cashed out about $10 up.
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royal flush
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some places in downtown offer a fpdw see vpfree.com, otherwise is one is just looking to run off points for comps on a slot card the 9/6 job has less swings
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onemoretry
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Of the two games you are choosing from, I prefer NSU deuces wild for the same reasons as you.
Like billyjoe, however, I think expecting a $150 bankroll to regularly last for three hours or so of single line 25c NSU deuces wild, or 9/6 JOB, is optimistic.
Here's a quote from an information sheet that accompanies a Dancer Daily strategy card:
"Video poker is a volatile game. In a very unlucky day's play at 9/6, it is possible to lose half the value of a royal flush (i.e., 2000 coins) on a single line machine"
For NSU deuces wild, that number is 60%.
If I was going to the casino hoping for a realistic chance of playing for four to five hours, I would have $500 in my pocket.
Like billyjoe, however, I think expecting a $150 bankroll to regularly last for three hours or so of single line 25c NSU deuces wild, or 9/6 JOB, is optimistic.
Here's a quote from an information sheet that accompanies a Dancer Daily strategy card:
"Video poker is a volatile game. In a very unlucky day's play at 9/6, it is possible to lose half the value of a royal flush (i.e., 2000 coins) on a single line machine"
For NSU deuces wild, that number is 60%.
If I was going to the casino hoping for a realistic chance of playing for four to five hours, I would have $500 in my pocket.
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TXVP14
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Thanks to everyone with the quick replies! Appreciate the great feedback!
I would probably play 9/6 JOB because I have had more royals playing that game and due to the low variance. In reality, it gets real boring playing the same game over and over. I would probably switch back and forth between the two and throw in some DDB or some TDB every once in a while.
That's what I was leaning towards - switching between the 2 games, but I'm still new at VP and haven't really practiced DDB or TDB enough to feel comfortable yet.
Those are the only two games I play. You can't go wrong with either one. NSUD has slightly higher variance (but nowhere near other games), but it also has a slightly higher return %.I'd work on your accuracy a little bit more. These games are pretty easy to master.
Yeah I try to play at home under similar conditions/distractions I'd face in the casino (light drinking and the TV on in the background to simulate all of the noises and chatter that happens in the casino). I'm usually 98-99% with JOB, but I get bored after a couple of hours practicing (I don't get bored in the casino - which is probably due to playing with real money). Definitely trying to get to the same level with NSUD before the trip.
Honestly, $150 bucks is too low as a PER day bankroll if you are planning on playing at least 3 hours per day, and if you are looking at a 5 day stay ...... I would double it to $300 to ensure you do not bust out and find yourself stuck with temptation to dip into the next day's money......Even though you are sticking with "safe games" like 9/6 job and NSUD, it has been my experience and observation over the past several years (mainly in AC but also a little in Nevada i.e. Vegas & Reno, plus some action in Connecticut) that what was ONCE safe bankroll levels to avoid risk of ruin/busting out are now BUNK. The games are just too unpredictable, for god-knows-how-many different reasons and causes.But then again, who really knows whether your $150 level is adequate or not.....you could hit a royal after 5 minutes......or you could get 75 duds in your first 100 hands and be down 50-60 bucks after 20 minutes......or you could be BELOW the statistically NORMAL expected dud rate of 55% (say 50%) after 100 hands but because all you scored in the other 50 were pairs (even money) you find yourself down 50 plus bucks! You wont know until you play, which is half the fun, right? The entire Not knowing.....right???? "the suspense is killing me....I hope it will last!" -- Willie Wonka, during the Augustus Gloop incident.MOST IMPORTANT......GOOD LUCK! I applaud your choice of downtown at least, my favorite Vegas place to stay and play! Try Oscar's Steak House in the Plaza Dome, I am anxious to try it myself and want first hand reviews!
I probably should've been more clear about the bankroll. My approach was to try and split the total trip bankroll into daily groups and, within each of those daily groups, split up into different parts of the day (morning, afternoon, evening). So I was estimating $150 bankroll for each of the 3 sessions per day ($450 total per day) - based on the EV and variance for each game. That's the figure I came up with to have about a 5 % ROR per session on average.
Will definitely try to give Oscar's a visit. Lots of great food choices in downtown at all different price levels (as opposed to the strip which tends to be at least 20 % above the downtown price level).
Good luck to you TXVP, it is obvious that you know how to manage your money and just remember to play at a level that you are comfortable with.
Thanks Tedlark! Just trying to have a great time in Vegas and not get completely taken to the cleaners by the casinos. VP is one of the few games where the player can make their bankroll last awhile.
I know that I, personally, would never last 3 hours at a $0.25 denom on $150, regardless of the game that I would play. I do remember, though, a gal lasting 6 hours on JOB for $20. I think she cashed out about $10 up.
Wow - it's hard enough to last at JOB for an hour with $20 at $0.05 denom. Must've hit a lot of 4OAK, FH, and flushes during that 6 hours. Was she playing max coin?
Am I pretty close to having the right bankroll for a 3 hour session? Might be able to up it to around $200, but from what I've read and the way I calculated, everything seemed to be consistent with $150 covering 3 hours. My guess is that my figure isn't placing enough emphasis on the recent trend of higher volatility (for who knows how many reasons) - even for "low" variance VP games like JOB and NSUD.
some places in downtown offer a fpdw see vpfree.com, otherwise is one is just looking to run off points for comps on a slot card the 9/6 job has less swings
Which places downtown offer FPDW? Only place I can think of is El Cortez with the "Downtown Deuces" machines - which have always been occupied by locals anytime I've been there.
I would probably play 9/6 JOB because I have had more royals playing that game and due to the low variance. In reality, it gets real boring playing the same game over and over. I would probably switch back and forth between the two and throw in some DDB or some TDB every once in a while.
That's what I was leaning towards - switching between the 2 games, but I'm still new at VP and haven't really practiced DDB or TDB enough to feel comfortable yet.
Those are the only two games I play. You can't go wrong with either one. NSUD has slightly higher variance (but nowhere near other games), but it also has a slightly higher return %.I'd work on your accuracy a little bit more. These games are pretty easy to master.
Yeah I try to play at home under similar conditions/distractions I'd face in the casino (light drinking and the TV on in the background to simulate all of the noises and chatter that happens in the casino). I'm usually 98-99% with JOB, but I get bored after a couple of hours practicing (I don't get bored in the casino - which is probably due to playing with real money). Definitely trying to get to the same level with NSUD before the trip.
Honestly, $150 bucks is too low as a PER day bankroll if you are planning on playing at least 3 hours per day, and if you are looking at a 5 day stay ...... I would double it to $300 to ensure you do not bust out and find yourself stuck with temptation to dip into the next day's money......Even though you are sticking with "safe games" like 9/6 job and NSUD, it has been my experience and observation over the past several years (mainly in AC but also a little in Nevada i.e. Vegas & Reno, plus some action in Connecticut) that what was ONCE safe bankroll levels to avoid risk of ruin/busting out are now BUNK. The games are just too unpredictable, for god-knows-how-many different reasons and causes.But then again, who really knows whether your $150 level is adequate or not.....you could hit a royal after 5 minutes......or you could get 75 duds in your first 100 hands and be down 50-60 bucks after 20 minutes......or you could be BELOW the statistically NORMAL expected dud rate of 55% (say 50%) after 100 hands but because all you scored in the other 50 were pairs (even money) you find yourself down 50 plus bucks! You wont know until you play, which is half the fun, right? The entire Not knowing.....right???? "the suspense is killing me....I hope it will last!" -- Willie Wonka, during the Augustus Gloop incident.MOST IMPORTANT......GOOD LUCK! I applaud your choice of downtown at least, my favorite Vegas place to stay and play! Try Oscar's Steak House in the Plaza Dome, I am anxious to try it myself and want first hand reviews!
I probably should've been more clear about the bankroll. My approach was to try and split the total trip bankroll into daily groups and, within each of those daily groups, split up into different parts of the day (morning, afternoon, evening). So I was estimating $150 bankroll for each of the 3 sessions per day ($450 total per day) - based on the EV and variance for each game. That's the figure I came up with to have about a 5 % ROR per session on average.
Will definitely try to give Oscar's a visit. Lots of great food choices in downtown at all different price levels (as opposed to the strip which tends to be at least 20 % above the downtown price level).
Good luck to you TXVP, it is obvious that you know how to manage your money and just remember to play at a level that you are comfortable with.
Thanks Tedlark! Just trying to have a great time in Vegas and not get completely taken to the cleaners by the casinos. VP is one of the few games where the player can make their bankroll last awhile.
I know that I, personally, would never last 3 hours at a $0.25 denom on $150, regardless of the game that I would play. I do remember, though, a gal lasting 6 hours on JOB for $20. I think she cashed out about $10 up.
Wow - it's hard enough to last at JOB for an hour with $20 at $0.05 denom. Must've hit a lot of 4OAK, FH, and flushes during that 6 hours. Was she playing max coin?
Am I pretty close to having the right bankroll for a 3 hour session? Might be able to up it to around $200, but from what I've read and the way I calculated, everything seemed to be consistent with $150 covering 3 hours. My guess is that my figure isn't placing enough emphasis on the recent trend of higher volatility (for who knows how many reasons) - even for "low" variance VP games like JOB and NSUD.
some places in downtown offer a fpdw see vpfree.com, otherwise is one is just looking to run off points for comps on a slot card the 9/6 job has less swings
Which places downtown offer FPDW? Only place I can think of is El Cortez with the "Downtown Deuces" machines - which have always been occupied by locals anytime I've been there.
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TXVP14
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Of the two games you are choosing from, I prefer NSU deuces wild for the same reasons as you.
Like billyjoe, however, I think expecting a $150 bankroll to regularly last for three hours or so of single line 25c NSU deuces wild, or 9/6 JOB, is optimistic.
Here's a quote from an information sheet that accompanies a Dancer Daily strategy card:
"Video poker is a volatile game. In a very unlucky day's play at 9/6, it is possible to lose half the value of a royal flush (i.e., 2000 coins) on a single line machine"
For NSU deuces wild, that number is 60%.
If I was going to the casino hoping for a realistic chance of playing for four to five hours, I would have $500 in my pocket.
More good advice - that's one angle I haven't really looked at.
In my limited experience playing VP, I'd say I've been able to play on average 3-4 hours before going broke - but I've been playing 9/6 JOB with a $40-$60 session bankroll at the $0.05 denom. That's a decent value for me, as I usually have 2 drinks an hour (alternating between beer and water to keep focus). Being so new to the game, my primary goals were to limit the impact of mistakes and try to make a smaller bankroll last over several days. This will be the first trip where I'll be primarily playing at the $0.25 denom.
I'd say the goals for this trip are pretty similar. But I rarely let a playing session last more than 3 - 4 hours because I notice I get bored and make more mistakes around the 3.5 hour mark. Luckily, there's plenty of other distractions to pass the time between playing sessions (meals, lounging at the Golden Nugget pool, watching other family and friends play, etc.)
Like billyjoe, however, I think expecting a $150 bankroll to regularly last for three hours or so of single line 25c NSU deuces wild, or 9/6 JOB, is optimistic.
Here's a quote from an information sheet that accompanies a Dancer Daily strategy card:
"Video poker is a volatile game. In a very unlucky day's play at 9/6, it is possible to lose half the value of a royal flush (i.e., 2000 coins) on a single line machine"
For NSU deuces wild, that number is 60%.
If I was going to the casino hoping for a realistic chance of playing for four to five hours, I would have $500 in my pocket.
More good advice - that's one angle I haven't really looked at.
In my limited experience playing VP, I'd say I've been able to play on average 3-4 hours before going broke - but I've been playing 9/6 JOB with a $40-$60 session bankroll at the $0.05 denom. That's a decent value for me, as I usually have 2 drinks an hour (alternating between beer and water to keep focus). Being so new to the game, my primary goals were to limit the impact of mistakes and try to make a smaller bankroll last over several days. This will be the first trip where I'll be primarily playing at the $0.25 denom.
I'd say the goals for this trip are pretty similar. But I rarely let a playing session last more than 3 - 4 hours because I notice I get bored and make more mistakes around the 3.5 hour mark. Luckily, there's plenty of other distractions to pass the time between playing sessions (meals, lounging at the Golden Nugget pool, watching other family and friends play, etc.)
